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Google kills diversity hiring targets

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Re: Google kills diversity hiring targets

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Post by blackeyeblitzar »

like_any_other wrote: post #13

Well, they've already achieved diversity, haven't they? Whites were already under-represented at Google (and at 18/23 tech companies) back in 2017 [1]. If they've rolled over for anyone, it was for the Asian lobby, who is over-represented at 23/23 of those tech companies, and now won't be facing DEI pressures to reduce their numbers. [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20250127210140/https://informati...

DEI programs discriminate significantly against Asians, just like college admissions. If these programs didn’t exist, the proportion of Asian employees would be even higher than it is currently, simply based on merit.

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Post by wahnfrieden »

Quarrelsome wrote: post #137
teractiveodular wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're assuming there is no genetic component whatsoever to human skills and interests, and the only reason women are not studying computer science/car repair/welding is sexism.

> You're assuming there is no genetic component whatsoever to human skills and interests Are you seriously suggesting that black people are genetically less predispositioned to program? Explain the evolutionary advantage to that please because that sounds absolutely absurd.

A lot of conservatives and American libertarians do say that some races are genetically inferior including in terms of intelligence and that they get what they deserve given their subhumanity

Re: Google kills diversity hiring targets

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Post by Quarrelsome »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #142
Quarrelsome wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You're assuming there is no genetic component whatsoever to human skills and interests Are you seriously suggesting that black people are genetically less predispositioned to program? Explain the evolutionary advantage to that please because that sounds absolutely absurd.

A lot of conservatives and American libertarians do say that some races are genetically inferior including in terms of intelligence and that they get what they deserve given their subhumanity

That's some real Nazi shit right there and I thought y'all were on the side of the free world or whatever. How does someone exist in 2025 with such ignorant views? I don't get it. MLK was like 60 years ago.

Re: Google kills diversity hiring targets

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Post by wahnfrieden »

Quarrelsome wrote: post #143
wahnfrieden wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of conservatives and American libertarians do say that some races are genetically inferior including in terms of intelligence and that they get what they deserve given their subhumanity

That's some real Nazi shit right there and I thought y'all were on the side of the free world or whatever. How does someone exist in 2025 with such ignorant views? I don't get it. MLK was like 60 years ago.

Don’t ask me

Re: Google kills diversity hiring targets

#145

Post by teractiveodular »

Quarrelsome wrote: post #137
teractiveodular wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're assuming there is no genetic component whatsoever to human skills and interests, and the only reason women are not studying computer science/car repair/welding is sexism.

> You're assuming there is no genetic component whatsoever to human skills and interests Are you seriously suggesting that black people are genetically less predispositioned to program? Explain the evolutionary advantage to that please because that sounds absolutely absurd.

Here's a strawman: White people are more likely to diagnosed with autism spectrum disorders (ASD). If people with ASD are more likely to opt for CS degrees, by induction we'll have more white people in CS.

Re: Google kills diversity hiring targets

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Post by jaredklewis »

Gothmog69 wrote: post #87
like_any_other wrote: post #13

Well, they've already achieved diversity, haven't they? Whites were already under-represented at Google (and at 18/23 tech companies) back in 2017 [1]. If they've rolled over for anyone, it was for the Asian lobby, who is over-represented at 23/23 of those tech companies, and now won't be facing DEI pressures to reduce their numbers. [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20250127210140/https://informati...

sounds like we need a working definition of diversity? Usually it just means way less white people.

At Harvard (and I assume other places, but those other places were not subjected to the level of discovery that Harvard was in SFFA v Harvard), diversity meant less Asians. Representation of whites was about what you would expect given their test scores and grades.

Re: Google kills diversity hiring targets

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Post by strangeloops85 »

Independent of whether these goals are appropriate or not, these actions (and those of so many other companies) are just so predictably craven.

These executive orders (and what "DEIA" exactly means or constitutes, legally speaking) have not been litigated or clarified yet. Is Google going to avoid interviewing anyone from a HBCU now?

At least Costco seems to have a logical reason for what they do and stood by it.

Re: Google kills diversity hiring targets

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Post by likeabatterycar »

strangeloops85 wrote: post #148

Independent of whether these goals are appropriate or not, these actions (and those of so many other companies) are just so predictably craven. These executive orders (and what "DEIA" exactly means or constitutes, legally speaking) have not been litigated or clarified yet. Is Google going to avoid interviewing anyone from a HBCU now? At least Costco seems to have a logical reason for what they do and stood by it.

> Is Google going to avoid interviewing anyone from a HBCU now?

No, because that would obviously be racist.

DEI would be favoring one candidate over another specifically due to immutable personal characteristics, not their qualifications for the job.

The just thing would be students from HBCUs having a level playing field along with everyone else.

It's no different than hiring managers selectively preferring graduates from Stanford or based on their surname's ethnicity, but it's hard to prove those things happen.

Re: Google kills diversity hiring targets

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Post by scarmig »

teractiveodular wrote: post #138
devnullbrain wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a non-sequitur, there can be non-genetic and non-sexism cultural reasons that influence study tendencies, or a blend of all three.

Such as? If a specific culture puts women off studying CS, than that culture is sexist, no?

If 90% of nurses are women, is nursing culture sexist against men?
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