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Re: Gemini 2.0 is now available to everyone

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Post by petre »

pmayrgundter wrote: post #35

I tried voice chat. It's very good, except for the politics We started talking about my plans for the day, and I said I was making chili. G asked if I have a recipe or if I needed one. I said, I started with Obama's recipe many years ago and have worked on it from there. G gave me a form response that it can't talk politics. Oh, I'm not talking politics, I'm talking chili. G then repeated form response and tried to c…

I find it kind of useless due to the no politics and I usually quickly lose my patience with it. Same with DeepSeek. Meanwhile you can have a decent conversation with Mistral, Claude, pi.ai and other LLMs. Even Chat GPT, although the patronizing appologizing tone is annoying.

Re: Gemini 2.0 is now available to everyone

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Post by greenavocado »

petre wrote: post #141
pmayrgundter wrote: post #35

I tried voice chat. It's very good, except for the politics We started talking about my plans for the day, and I said I was making chili. G asked if I have a recipe or if I needed one. I said, I started with Obama's recipe many years ago and have worked on it from there. G gave me a form response that it can't talk politics. Oh, I'm not talking politics, I'm talking chili. G then repeated form response and tried to c…

I find it kind of useless due to the no politics and I usually quickly lose my patience with it. Same with DeepSeek. Meanwhile you can have a decent conversation with Mistral, Claude, pi.ai and other LLMs. Even Chat GPT, although the patronizing appologizing tone is annoying.

Can censorship damage to LLMs be mitigated with LoRA fine-tuning?

Re: Gemini 2.0 is now available to everyone

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Post by [deleted] »

simonw wrote: post #80

I upgraded my llm-gemini plugin to handle this, and shared the results of my "Generate an SVG of a pelican riding a bicycle" benchmark here: https://simonwillison.net/2025/Feb/5/gemini-2/ The pricing is interesting: Gemini 2.0 Flash-Lite is 7.5c/million input tokens and 30c/million output tokens - half the price of OpenAI's GPT-4o mini (15c/60c). Gemini 2.0 Flash isn't much more: 10c/million for text/image input, 70c…

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Re: Gemini 2.0 is now available to everyone

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

xnorswap wrote: post #44
pmayrgundter wrote: post #35

I tried voice chat. It's very good, except for the politics We started talking about my plans for the day, and I said I was making chili. G asked if I have a recipe or if I needed one. I said, I started with Obama's recipe many years ago and have worked on it from there. G gave me a form response that it can't talk politics. Oh, I'm not talking politics, I'm talking chili. G then repeated form response and tried to c…

I find it horrifying and dystopian that the part where it "Can't talk politics" is just accepted and your complaint is that it interrupts your ability to talk chilli. "Go back to bed America." "You are free, to do as we tell you" https://youtu.be/TNPeYflsMdg?t=143

There's nothing wrong with (and in fact much to be said in favor of) a "no politics" rule. When I was growing up it was common advice to not discuss politics/religion in mixed company. At one point I thought that was stupid fuddy-duddy advice, because people are adults and can act reasonably even if they disagree. But as I get older, I realize that I was wrong: people really, really can't control their emotions when politics comes up and it gets ugly. Turns out that the older generation was correct, and you really shouldn't talk politics in mixed company.

Obviously in this specific case the user isn't trying to talk politics, but the rule isn't dystopian in and of itself. It's simply a reflection of human nature, and that someone at Google knows it's going to be a lot of trouble for no gain if the bot starts to get into politics with users.

Re: Gemini 2.0 is now available to everyone

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Post by behnamoh »

radeeyate wrote: post #97
behnamoh wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The number one reason I don't use Google Gemini is because they truncate the input text. So I can't simply paste long documents or other kinds of things as raw text in the prompt box.

If you have the need to paste long documents, why don't you just upload the file at that point?

Because sometimes the text is the result of my whisper transcription.

Re: Gemini 2.0 is now available to everyone

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Post by everdrive »

pmayrgundter wrote: post #35

I tried voice chat. It's very good, except for the politics We started talking about my plans for the day, and I said I was making chili. G asked if I have a recipe or if I needed one. I said, I started with Obama's recipe many years ago and have worked on it from there. G gave me a form response that it can't talk politics. Oh, I'm not talking politics, I'm talking chili. G then repeated form response and tried to c…

This is AI. Someone else decides what topics and what answers are acceptable.

Re: Gemini 2.0 is now available to everyone

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Post by ssijak »

mohsen1 wrote: post #8

> available via the Gemini API in Google AI Studio and Vertex AI. > Gemini 2.0, 2.0 Pro and 2.0 Pro Experimental, Gemini 2.0 Flash, Gemini 2.0 Flash Lite 3 different ways of accessing the API, more than 5 different but extremely similarly named models. Benchmarks only comparing to their own models. Can't be more "Googley"!

Working with google APIs is often an exercise in frustration. I like their base cloud offering the best actually, but their additional APIs can be all over the place. These AI related are the worst.

Re: Gemini 2.0 is now available to everyone

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Post by echelon »

arresin wrote: post #111
justanotheratom wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They actually have two "studios" Google AI Studio and Google Cloud Vertex AI Studio And both have their own documentation, different ways of "tuning" the model. Talk about shipping the org chart.

> Talk about shipping the org chart. Good expression. I’ve been thinking about a way to say exactly this.

I love this phrase so much.

Google still has some unsettled demons.

Re: Gemini 2.0 is now available to everyone

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Post by jiggawatts »

justanotheratom wrote: post #72
mohsen1 wrote: post #8

> available via the Gemini API in Google AI Studio and Vertex AI. > Gemini 2.0, 2.0 Pro and 2.0 Pro Experimental, Gemini 2.0 Flash, Gemini 2.0 Flash Lite 3 different ways of accessing the API, more than 5 different but extremely similarly named models. Benchmarks only comparing to their own models. Can't be more "Googley"!

They actually have two "studios" Google AI Studio and Google Cloud Vertex AI Studio And both have their own documentation, different ways of "tuning" the model. Talk about shipping the org chart.

> Talk about shipping the org chart.

To be fair, Microsoft has shipped like five AI portals in the last two years. Maybe four — I don’t even know any more. I’ve lost track of the renames and product (re)launches.

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