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Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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This is all well and good but unless you have networking experience and know what makes a good router you're still stuck.

What router should I be using in place of the ISP one? Can I trust it's manufacturer? How can I make sure it definitely is a one to one replacement and I don't need to use my isp router as a bridge?

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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Xfinity (Comcast) is uploading their own firmware to my netgear which I have purchased on amazon. So one may (rightfully) assume that they have their own backdoors there too; otherwise why would they bother doing that.

But how do they do that? Doesn't this require basically root access to the router? If you give it to your ISP, then the router is ISP's as much as yours, until they cut your root access off %)

I'm guessing they mean modem

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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This is all well and good but unless you have networking experience and know what makes a good router you're still stuck. What router should I be using in place of the ISP one? Can I trust it's manufacturer? How can I make sure it definitely is a one to one replacement and I don't need to use my isp router as a bridge?

Considering the audience: Get whatever x86 (arm if you have a more enthusiastic vibe and don't mind some independent research) hardware, install your Linux/BSD distro of choice (it doesnt need to be a "router" distro in case youre already handy with some other base system. setting up from vanilla can be easier than getting into idiosyncracies of openwrt/pfsense/etc) and configure it yourself. It will be valuable and useful even if your ISP requires their own gateway in the middle. Get 2 of whatever it is so you have a spare/staging ready if it becomes necessary later.

Intel NICs are generally preferred over Realtek if available.

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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I wish. I own my own modem and router, but Comcast won’t let me use them unless I pay a whole bunch of extra fees or accept a stupidly low monthly data cap. I’ve got my router downstream of theirs which is a bit annoying, especially considering their modem-router combo overheats and needs to be rebooted via unplugging power at least once a month. Sadly I have no other options here in San Francisco. My house is not wi…

I live in SF and Comcast doesn't charge me to have my own router. I pay $130 for 1.4gbit and unlimited data. It's expensive but I also have no other choices. Sonic stops only one block over and we haven't been able to convince them to wire up my block.

I live in San Jose and Comcast shouldn't charge me for my own router, but every couple of months the "equipment hire" charge appears on my bill again and I have to go through the song and dance of calling them again and getting it removed.

I also pay a little more than $130 for gigabit with a 1tb limit.

I wish I had options.

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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In similar news: The German regulator (BNetzA) just re-confirmed two weeks ago [0] that passive optical networks are not exempt from § 73 (1) of the TKG (Telecommunication law) which mandates that the interface between provider and customer is required to be a passive interface (i.e. mandating an ONT is already in violation of that). And that is fine. The different PON standards are reasonably well standardized and c…

I think there are similar rules (or there will soon be) in all of Europe.

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

#146

I wish. I own my own modem and router, but Comcast won’t let me use them unless I pay a whole bunch of extra fees or accept a stupidly low monthly data cap. I’ve got my router downstream of theirs which is a bit annoying, especially considering their modem-router combo overheats and needs to be rebooted via unplugging power at least once a month. Sadly I have no other options here in San Francisco. My house is not wi…

I got a monthly discount (small, between 5 and 10$) for using my own cable modem in Sunnyvale. I was using Comcast business, though.

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

#147

I wish. I own my own modem and router, but Comcast won’t let me use them unless I pay a whole bunch of extra fees or accept a stupidly low monthly data cap. I’ve got my router downstream of theirs which is a bit annoying, especially considering their modem-router combo overheats and needs to be rebooted via unplugging power at least once a month. Sadly I have no other options here in San Francisco. My house is not wi…

This is why the market needs some regulation. Here in The Netherlands, ISPs are required to offer free (as in freedom) modem/router choice. Not only can you replace the router, you can even use your own XGS-PON/AON/etc. SFP(+) module.

For a while I had fiber running through an XGS-PON SFP module in my own Fritz!Box. Now I use the provider's ONT (which is just a fiber ethernet media converter) hooked up to a Unifi Cloud Gateway Max.

Plenty of folks here that have their UDM or OpnSense box hooked up directly to fiber with a Zaram XGS-PON module.

Also, I am sorry you have to deal with caps. Data has been unlimited here ever since we switched from 56k6 to ADSL. (I also have unlimited 5G for 25 Euro per month.)

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In EU the second poorest country has the fastest internet. The richest country cannot provide cellular signal to all of its area.

Hey, we finally get fiber in the "richest" country. Telekom just wants to build it to our apartment, for free. They just need a permission from our landlord, who said no way and blocked the fiber installation. We are stuck with Vodafone only... I guess it is a better investment for them to smoke us out, renovate this place and rent it with three times more...

Germany? We lived in Germany for five years and internet-wise it felt like going back to the stone age. We paid extra to get 20MBit upstream, but on Saturdays, you'd often only get 1MBit (more downstream of course). Cellular reception was crappy in much of the country (even inside larger cities).

We left Germany in 2018. We have unlimited 4Gbit synchronous fiber and unlimited 5G.

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In EU the second poorest country has the fastest internet. The richest country cannot provide cellular signal to all of its area.

It kindof depends when a country did its investment into Internet infrastructure. More western countries did it first and are now stuck with older technologies that limit speed and capacity, where as the less modern countries put that investment in later and therefore have newer technologies like fibre. Once an investment has been made it's hard to justify making another large investment, or if one is being made it b…

More western countries did it first and are now stuck with older technologies that limit speed and capacity, where as the less modern countries put that investment in later and therefore have newer technologies like fibre.

This is not necessary. These countries are also very rich and can afford to upgrade infrastructure. I am in The Netherlands and have 4Gbit fiber. At the end of 2024 there were 8 million fiber connections, whereas there are 8.4 million households. Heck, even my parents who live in a small remote village can get multi-gig fiber (though they are happy with their 100MBit).

Re: Avoid ISP Routers (2024)

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My ISP here in the UK is pretty good, they have fibre going into a little box on the wall which has an ethernet port on the bottom, I've got a Ubiquiti Dream Machine Pro connected to that on the WAN port and it's worked solidly for years.
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