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I trusted an LLM, now I'm on day 4 of an afternoon project

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Re: I trusted an LLM, now I'm on day 4 of an afternoon project

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My college professor has certifications and has passed tests that weren't in their training data. My college professor was also willing to say "I don't know, ask me next class"

What do you consider 'not in its training data'? I just asked Claude a question I am pretty sure was not in its training data. * https://i.imgur.com/XjvImeT.jpeg

That's almost in the training data:

https://www.quora.com/How-many-Humans-can-we-fit-on-the-Moon

Re: I trusted an LLM, now I'm on day 4 of an afternoon project

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A tool that can "write up a dopey SAAS in half the time it would take a human to do" is a pretty incredible thing to add to your toolbox!

If the summary goal of your existence is to be the most delirious waste of resources that humanity has yet known, sure. It's the hammer and nail of spoiled burnouts everywhere that need a credible ruse to help them out of the bottle. Some of us are capable of wanting for things better than a coin-operated REST API. The kind of imagination used to put people on the moon, that now helps today's business leaders imagine…

I'm sorry, but generated REST API boilerplate has probably fed more people than putting people on the moon.

Re: I trusted an LLM, now I'm on day 4 of an afternoon project

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What it will do is to free up a lot of brainpower to think about those hard problems and empower people to try our their ideas.

I used to think the exact same thing would happen when we paid Pakistani and Indian labor to do America's busywork. That was about 15 years ago, I no longer have the same enthusiasm you do.

Now, you are paying a Taiwanese or American company to produce GPUs for you. This allows you to use open-source models like DeepSeek R1, significantly reducing your reliance on Indian tech labor

Re: I trusted an LLM, now I'm on day 4 of an afternoon project

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I think DeekThink is something different though. It is able to figure out some things that I know do not have much training data at all. It is looking at the manual and figuring things out. "That doesn't make sense. Wait, that can't be right. I must have the formula wrong." I just seen that in the chain of thought.

Nah, in my experience, if there is the slightest error in the first sentence of the chain of thought, it tends to get worse and worse. I've had prompts that would generate a reasonable response in llama, but turn out utter garbage in Deepthink.

But how is this any different from real humans? They are not always right either. Sure, humans can understand things better, but are we really going to act like LLMs can't get better in the next year? And what about the next 6 months? I bet there are unknown startups like Deepseek that can push the frontier further.

Re: I trusted an LLM, now I'm on day 4 of an afternoon project

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Counterexample: Ive been able to complete more side projects in the last month leveraging llms than i have ever in my life. One of which I believe to have potential as a viable product, and another which involved complicated rust `no_std` and linker setup for compiling rust code onto bare metal RISCV from scratch. I think the key to being successful here is to realize that you're still at the wheel as an engineer. Th…

I find that LLMs are almost comically bad at projects that have a hardware component like RaspberryPi or Pico, or Ardunio. I think that its because often the libraries you use are niche or have a a few similar versions, the LLM really commonly hallucinated solutions and would continually suggest that library X did have that capability. I think because often in hardware projects you often hit a point where you can't d…

I was just today trying to fix some errors in an old Linux kernel version 3.x.x .dts file for some old hardware, so that I could get a modern kernel to use it. ChatGPT seemed very helpful at first - and I was super impressed. I thought it was giving me great insight into why the old files were now producing errors … except the changes it proposed never actually fixed anything.

Eventually I read some actual documentation and realised it was just spouting very plausible sounding nonsense - and confident at it!

The same thing happened a year or so ago when I tried to get a much older ChatGPT to help me with with USB protocol problems in some microcontroller code. It just hallucinated APIs and protocol features that didn’t actually exist. I really expected more by now - but I now suspect it’ll just never be good at niche tasks (and these two things are not particularly niche compared to some).

Re: I trusted an LLM, now I'm on day 4 of an afternoon project

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They are reasonably accurate, and no tutor is perfect. How do you know your college professor is accurate?

My college professor has certifications and has passed tests that weren't in their training data. My college professor was also willing to say "I don't know, ask me next class"

> My college professor has certifications and has passed tests that weren't in their training data.

Granted, they are not (can't be) as rigorous as the tests your professor took, but new models are run through test suites before being released, too.

That being said, I saw my college professors making up things, too (mind you, they were all graduated from very good schools). One example I remember was our argument with a professor who argued that there is a theoretical limit for the coefficient of friction, and it is 1. That can potentially be categorised as a hallucination as it was completely made up and didn't make sense. Maybe it was in his training data (i.e. his own professors).

I agree with the "I don't know" part, though. This is something that LLMs are notoriously bad.

Re: I trusted an LLM, now I'm on day 4 of an afternoon project

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I find that LLMs are almost comically bad at projects that have a hardware component like RaspberryPi or Pico, or Ardunio. I think that its because often the libraries you use are niche or have a a few similar versions, the LLM really commonly hallucinated solutions and would continually suggest that library X did have that capability. I think because often in hardware projects you often hit a point where you can't d…

Actually, it's because many of the people writing tutorials and sharing answers about that stuff don't know what the hell they're doing or grasp the fundamentals of how those systems work and so most of the source material the LLM's are trained on is absolute garbage. Public Arduino, RPi, Pico communities are basically peak cargo cult, with the blind leading the blind through things they don't understand. The noise i…

> Presumably, those communities and their internal knowledge will mature eventually, but it's taking a long long time and it's still an absolute mess.

It won't because the RPi are all undocumented, closed-source toys.

It would be an interesting experiment to see which chips an LLM is better at helping out with: RPi's with its hallucinatory ecosystem or something like the BeagleY-AI which has thousands of pages of actual TI documentation for its chips.

It would be really nice if the LLMs could cover for this and circumvent where RPi's keep getting used because they were dumped under cost to bootstrap a network effect.

Re: I trusted an LLM, now I'm on day 4 of an afternoon project

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Counterexample: Ive been able to complete more side projects in the last month leveraging llms than i have ever in my life. One of which I believe to have potential as a viable product, and another which involved complicated rust `no_std` and linker setup for compiling rust code onto bare metal RISCV from scratch. I think the key to being successful here is to realize that you're still at the wheel as an engineer. Th…

Is it reasonable to assume that more senior devs benefit more from LLMs?

I wouldn't assume that at all. Most of the senior devs I talk to on a regular basis think commercial* LLMs are ridiculous and the AI hype is nonsensical.

* I put commercial there as a qualifier because there's some thought that in the future, very specifically-trained smaller models (open source) on particular technologies and corpuses (opt-in) might yield useful results without many of the ethical minefields we are currently dealing with.

Re: I trusted an LLM, now I'm on day 4 of an afternoon project

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Most LLMs default to being sycophantic yes-men, but if you create a custom prompt, it can help mitigate any issues.

I have a custom prompt that instructs gpt4o to get aggressive about attacking anything I say (and, importantly, anything it says).

Here's my result for the same question:

https://chatgpt.com/share/67984aa9-1608-8012-be93-a77728ab8e...

Re: I trusted an LLM, now I'm on day 4 of an afternoon project

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Counterexample: Ive been able to complete more side projects in the last month leveraging llms than i have ever in my life. One of which I believe to have potential as a viable product, and another which involved complicated rust `no_std` and linker setup for compiling rust code onto bare metal RISCV from scratch. I think the key to being successful here is to realize that you're still at the wheel as an engineer. Th…

Claude is like having my own college professor. I've learned more in the past month with Claude then I learned in the past year. I can ask questions repeatedly and get clarification as fine as a need it. Granted, Claude has limits, but its a game-changer. > I think the key to being successful here is to realize that you're still at the wheel as an engineer. The llm is there to rapidly synthesize the universe of infor…

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