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Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by llamaimperative »

roenxi wrote: post #61
llamaimperative wrote: post #4

This is the type of thing that'd normally show up on CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report which has been published weekly since 1960 (my understanding is this is without fail). But unfortunately the current administration has decided an ideological purification is more important than keeping the American public apprised of threats to their health. So it wasn't published last week, and probably won't be this we…

> "Politics don't matter" though ;) Bummer! 1. Is there an argument here that the CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report's unbroken publication record is so important it should switch votes? 2. They probably still filled the report in, so there is a chance it eventually gets published. No need to abandon hope yet.

Yes there's an argument that "having vs not-having functional contagious disease surveillance, alerting, and learning systems" can change political outcomes.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by stouset »

aliasxneo wrote: post #127
giantg2 wrote: post #111

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Wouldn't this have showed up in the reports last year when the numbers were actively happening? There's been 1 case this year it says. If the ideology was what you're saying, then wouldn't they want to spread the info and blame it on the "dirty illegals" or whatever?

This year has been a rough start for HN. The political commentary is infecting every thread.

It’s almost as if politics impacts many things in the world around us.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by llamaimperative »

klipt wrote: post #135
lynndotpy wrote: post #71

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> the people have no power now There's always the midterms. Politicians shouldn't get too complacent if their party screws up.

Definitely, which is why it's important to identify when politicians put the American public at risk like this. The connections between random high-level government actions don't easily map to real world outcomes for most people.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by nradov »

hedora wrote: post #81
johnnyanmac wrote: post #5

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How is it that Trump is so timely at cutting medical resources right before the moment it is most needed? Or perhaps such outbreaks are more common than you'd expect and it's the equivalent of leaving a firewall down for a day? And yeah, I'm aware a bigger factor in this freeze was hiding the very obvious Bird Flu pandemic. Can't hide the eggs getting more expensive though.

Cutting resources often is the root cause for an outbreak. - SARSv2 (aka Covid-19) happened after Trump disbanded the team that contained SARSv1. - During COVID, the west suspended polio vaccination programs in developing regions, so now polio outbreaks are a thing again. - Antivaxxers in NYC caused a massive measles outbreak a few years ago. Etc, etc.

I won't attempt to defend the administration's actions, but no team ever really contained SARS. That outbreak burned out largely for natural reasons.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by dmix »

Trasmatta wrote: post #82
Waterluvian wrote: post #66

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I wonder if we’d do better in discourse to stop pointing at an “administration.” It is a reflection of what a plurality, often majority, of people want.

Democracy doesn't mean "accept what the current administration does with no criticism, because they were democratically elected"

It does make ones eyes glaze over when American politics is everywhere you look. In every thread, about every topic. And each comment thread has 50 highly emotional comments that you have to scroll through to find the 5 few thoughtful comments near the bottom discussing the article, without going off the rails.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by nradov »

throwaway5292 wrote: post #129
redler wrote: post #75

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…of the 63% who bothered themselves to vote.

What's the point in voting? My district boundaries were redrawn to ensure my vote isn't heard.

You have the option of voting for a third party candidate. They won't win, but over multiple election cycles this increases the odds that a third party could eventually present a credible alternative.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by llm_trw »

foobarchu wrote: post #131
aliasxneo wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This year has been a rough start for HN. The political commentary is infecting every thread.

That's because it's an extremely big deal and affects many things discussed here.

It's because people now treat parties like they used to treat football teams.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by School-Cotton »

hedora wrote: post #81
johnnyanmac wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is it that Trump is so timely at cutting medical resources right before the moment it is most needed? Or perhaps such outbreaks are more common than you'd expect and it's the equivalent of leaving a firewall down for a day? And yeah, I'm aware a bigger factor in this freeze was hiding the very obvious Bird Flu pandemic. Can't hide the eggs getting more expensive though.

Cutting resources often is the root cause for an outbreak. - SARSv2 (aka Covid-19) happened after Trump disbanded the team that contained SARSv1. - During COVID, the west suspended polio vaccination programs in developing regions, so now polio outbreaks are a thing again. - Antivaxxers in NYC caused a massive measles outbreak a few years ago. Etc, etc.

Covid was spreading in many countries before the US. Off the top of my head I remember China, Korea, Italy and Spain.

And no country of significant size avoided it, regardless of whether they were led by Trump or not.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by _yb2s »

intermerda wrote: post #26
avs733 wrote: post #6

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I’m an academic scientist part of a really large government funded research grant that employs hundreds of people. Last time, we had to fire half our staff immediately right up front because they said they were cutting our funding. They ended up not cutting our funding at all, but we had already fired everyone so it was lose lose- the Government spent the money but the research couldn’t be done. Just plain bad leadership.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by School-Cotton »

nradov wrote: post #146
throwaway5292 wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the point in voting? My district boundaries were redrawn to ensure my vote isn't heard.

You have the option of voting for a third party candidate. They won't win, but over multiple election cycles this increases the odds that a third party could eventually present a credible alternative.

Increases the odds from 0.00001% to 0.00002%.
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