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Master the Art of the Product Manager 'No'

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Re: Master the Art of the Product Manager 'No'

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Post by caminante »

defrost wrote: post #138
caminante wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not when actors report false numbers. China's track record is terrible on honest environmental reporting [0] and their power consumption has been greenwashed with electrification that makes a minor portion of their GHG growth [1]. [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/06/world/asia/china-asks-emb... [1] https://dialogue.earth/en/climate/chinas-manufacturing-pushe...

You have a 12 year old article about manual reporting of smog levels that's moot given the past decade of gas measuring satellites, and you ignore the fact that China isn't a closed country, it's one routinely visited by internationals including those from the IEA that directly inspect energy infrastructure.

Your comment is so bizarre.

You're saying that air-quality sensors at a location is "manual" reporting? That's your critique? What's manual about it? It sounds like an automated, objective sensor. Even if it were manual, the premise is that China is asking other nations not to release its air data. A 2012 article shows this has been happening for some time. Further, you need to elaborate what your point is (and answer "so what?") about gas measuring satellites.

> and you ignore the fact that China isn't a closed country, it's one routinely visited by internationals

How am I ignoring that? When did I say they were a closed country? Even more bizarre, you're introducing a strange claim that China isn't closed when China routinely scores terribly (worst category) on censorship and freedom of the press [0].

Here's another source [1]

> “China is making great efforts to improve the accuracy of its emissions inventories,” says Yuli Shan of Birmingham University in the U.K., who has tracked its data for years. But he notes that an assessment of China’s fossil-fuel emissions by the European Commission’s Emissions Database for Global Atmospheric Research found 23 percent more than recorded in the country’s U.N. submission for the same year.

You're welcome to provide resources that refute my argument, and I'll review.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_by_country#Table

[1] https://e360.yale.edu/features/undercounted-emissions-un-cli...

Re: Master the Art of the Product Manager 'No'

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Post by defrost »

caminante wrote: post #141
defrost wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have a 12 year old article about manual reporting of smog levels that's moot given the past decade of gas measuring satellites, and you ignore the fact that China isn't a closed country, it's one routinely visited by internationals including those from the IEA that directly inspect energy infrastructure.

Your comment is so bizarre. You're saying that air-quality sensors at a location is "manual" reporting? That's your critique? What's manual about it? It sounds like an automated, objective sensor. Even if it were manual, the premise is that China is asking other nations not to release its air data. A 2012 article shows this has been happening for some time. Further, you need to elaborate what your point is (and answe…

Your claim that "China's the biggest emitter and doesn't care." is nonsense.

They care, they've bought more absolute effort to the issue than most countries, their future plans and projections are out there and on per capita basis they are doing better than most.

Your only line on this is that the country with the largest population has the largest energy consumption and emmissions.

And .. ?

Re: Master the Art of the Product Manager 'No'

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Post by ungreased0675 »

rqtwteye wrote: post #134
sfn42 wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah that's pretty much what I told them, except I didn't know how to fix it in the short term. That's kind of my whole point - the "quick fix" took longer than a proper fix would have.

I don't know the exact situation but I just wanted to point out not to fall into the "I have looked at the thing for a little. I don't understand it and I can't be bothered to understand it because whoever write it, was an idiot. We need a full rewrite with my favorite shiny tool. The rewrite will be easy" trap. I think that triggers a lot experienced people. But maybe you are right. That's also very possible

Even if you were correct, project managers are allergic to “This spaghetti code is terrible, I can rewrite it to be way better.”

Because, they hear that a lot.

Re: Master the Art of the Product Manager 'No'

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Post by caminante »

defrost wrote: post #142
caminante wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comment is so bizarre. You're saying that air-quality sensors at a location is "manual" reporting? That's your critique? What's manual about it? It sounds like an automated, objective sensor. Even if it were manual, the premise is that China is asking other nations not to release its air data. A 2012 article shows this has been happening for some time. Further, you need to elaborate what your point is (and answe…

Your claim that "China's the biggest emitter and doesn't care." is nonsense. They care, they've bought more absolute effort to the issue than most countries, their future plans and projections are out there and on per capita basis they are doing better than most. Your only line on this is that the country with the largest population has the largest energy consumption and emmissions. And .. ?

As mentioned above [0], the per capita hand waving doesn't work when China's responsible for 90% of earth's CO2 emissions growth in the last decade (c.f. 2% population growth) and blowing through the globe's carbon budget.

In the future, good luck landing on claims you'll actually stand behind (still laughing at your revised definition of "manual") or advance your argument.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=428052180

Re: Master the Art of the Product Manager 'No'

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Post by triceratops »

caminante wrote: post #42
JohnMakin wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On climate change, are we somewhere between step 3 and 4? It sure looks a lot that way to me. Maybe closer to 4 soon. That conversation is exhausting, or kind of the inverse of this, overwhelming confidence in the success of future technologies that do not really exist yet.

Re: climate change, what can the US and other actors do for "support" when China's still at Yes Minister step 1? China's the biggest emitter and doesn't care. [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_greenhous...

Anyone can spin total emissions to suit whatever agenda they want to push. They're the world biggest emitter but that's just lines on a map. If they were 10 separate countries it wouldn't be the biggest emitter. But those emissions would still be there.

China literally produces the most solar panels, electric cars, and batteries by far. In 2022 83% of new electricity generation in China was renewable (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42037497). That doesn't scream a country that "doesn't care".

They might be building a lot of new coal plants, but they aren't actually using them more than they already did (see above). Why would they waste their coal? They build more solar panels than they know what to do with, the sun is free, and they don't have NIMBY groups holding up construction.

Re: Master the Art of the Product Manager 'No'

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Post by caminante »

forgotoldacc wrote: post #137
caminante wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

/forehead slap If China is using more renewables, then why are they producing way more GHG? See how this line of reasoning is flawed? This reality undermines your snark about having a higher % mix or per capita production, which is an incomplete rebuttal and serves greenwashing arguments.

Because they have 1.4 billion people. https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/per-cap... Some useful terminology for your journey. Imagine you have a buffet. You have five people who each take 1 steak. Then you have one person who takes 4 steaks. You are the person saying the one person taking 4 steaks is okay. The problem is the selfish four people who are eating 1 steak each. If they all stopped, the o…

LOL. You try to get pedantic about per capita and use a buffet analogy, but don't even get the mapping to the problem right or make a point that helps you.

China is responsible for >30% of ghg emissions and for 90% of incremental CO2 emissions growth in the last decade. Their population didn't grow more than ~2%! Your buffet analogy misses the constraint about the earth's carbon budget being limited to keep global warming to +1.5c. China is effectively blowing through everyone's budget so that no steak will be left and running the buffet out of business.

Re: Master the Art of the Product Manager 'No'

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Post by forgotoldacc »

caminante wrote: post #147
forgotoldacc wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they have 1.4 billion people. https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/per-cap... Some useful terminology for your journey. Imagine you have a buffet. You have five people who each take 1 steak. Then you have one person who takes 4 steaks. You are the person saying the one person taking 4 steaks is okay. The problem is the selfish four people who are eating 1 steak each. If they all stopped, the o…

LOL. You try to get pedantic about per capita and use a buffet analogy, but don't even get the mapping to the problem right or make a point that helps you. China is responsible for >30% of ghg emissions and for 90% of incremental CO2 emissions growth in the last decade. Their population didn't grow more than ~2%! Your buffet analogy misses the constraint about the earth's carbon budget being limited to keep global wa…

You're angry and making up things that make no sense. Settle down.

Re: Master the Art of the Product Manager 'No'

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Post by caminante »

forgotoldacc wrote: post #148
caminante wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LOL. You try to get pedantic about per capita and use a buffet analogy, but don't even get the mapping to the problem right or make a point that helps you. China is responsible for >30% of ghg emissions and for 90% of incremental CO2 emissions growth in the last decade. Their population didn't grow more than ~2%! Your buffet analogy misses the constraint about the earth's carbon budget being limited to keep global wa…

You're angry and making up things that make no sense. Settle down.

Laughter is "angry?"

You compared China and Climate Change to a steak buffet. LMAO...

Re: Master the Art of the Product Manager 'No'

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Post by tough »

ungreased0675 wrote: post #144
rqtwteye wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know the exact situation but I just wanted to point out not to fall into the "I have looked at the thing for a little. I don't understand it and I can't be bothered to understand it because whoever write it, was an idiot. We need a full rewrite with my favorite shiny tool. The rewrite will be easy" trap. I think that triggers a lot experienced people. But maybe you are right. That's also very possible

Even if you were correct, project managers are allergic to “This spaghetti code is terrible, I can rewrite it to be way better.” Because, they hear that a lot.

To every dev not his mommas spaghetti´s the best, so naturally they want to be their own cooks in the kitchen
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