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Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by yieldcrv »

dgfitz wrote: post #127

I have never seen so many downvoted comments that aren’t dead in a thread before. If anyone had examples of other threads of this ilk I’d be curious to see them. I’m completely ignorant as to the public sentiment on this topic, no social media besides this site.

Astroturfing

Many people believe they need to add support to their cause at the expense of accuracy, so instead of elaborating or explaining why they just try to drown out discourse that doesnt automatically help them

But fortunately there is no need to debate your beliefs anymore, just go bet on them in the prediction markets

You get paid for being more correct that someone else, geopolitics is greater than sentiment

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by foxglacier »

verdverm wrote: post #22
steviedotboston wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hamas has been considerably weakened. Their arsenal of rockets and weapons is depleted. At the beginning of the war thousands of rockets were being shot into Israel and now there are very few and the ones that are are quite crude. Hezbollah entered the war immediately and said the only way they would exit is if Hamas exists. Israel retaliated, killed their leader, decimated their forces, and negotiated a ceasefire th…

Israel has likely also created multiple generations of anger and hate against themselves. They may have reduced the likelihood of another Oct 7 in the near term, but 50 years is not something I would count on

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by adamredwoods »

optymizer wrote: post #3

How is this hacker news? From the HN guidelines: Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. *If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.*

We should always celebrate peaceful interactions over violent ones.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by x3ro »

golergka wrote: post #56

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Look, you may fool peoe with your “all Palestinians are terrorists” rhetoric in zionist circles, but I would hope that most other people would be able to see through the propaganda.

Israel has imprisoned people in “administrative detention” with no legal recourse for decades, for all kinds of bullshit reasons. If my home was being taken by settlers, which happens in the West Bank on the daily, I would do more than just throw stones. And it would land me in jail as a “terrorist”.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by hmcq6 »

wk_end wrote: post #118
pydry wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The “briefcases full of cash” began flowing into Gaza in the mid-2010s, IIRC. Hamas had been in power in Gaza for around a decade at that point.

Israel has been funding anti PLO/PA efforts since the 80's

https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-c...

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by shmerl »

worik wrote: post #139

Time to pay the piper. IMO Iran is the winner (least damaged) out of all this. Their proxies are smashed, but the core strength is still the same. Israel has blown all its international credibility. The International Court of Justice verdict will be very interesting. If it goes against Israel then BDS will (should) become the policy for all countries.

Iran invested all its resources into proxies waging wars for it. Them being smashed means Iran is ruined on all those war investments. With economy in shambles and expansionist war failed, it's hardly "least damaged".

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by pcthrowaway »

xg15 wrote: post #21

Everything else aside, this is an absolutely fantastic development and I really hope the ceasefire holds and all hostages are released. I just fear this will cause western media and politicians to and declare the crisis to be over (after it had began on Oct. 7, of course absolutely out of the blue and without any context...) and go back to pretending everything is back to normal. Never mind that Gaza is still in ruin…

OK since no one else has said it yet, "according to a source familiar with the details"[1] (I know) Trump has basically told Netanyahu to agree to the ceasefire including the return of hostages. Then if they decide to break the ceasefire and go back to relentless bombings, Trump will still continue to support them.

So it could be a tactic to get Hamas to release whatever hostages are still alive, then get right back to the new status quo.

This actually makes perfect sense for Trump. He's only claimed to care about the Israeli hostages. I'm sure he feels great about taking credit for their return.

[1]: https://trendsinthenews.substack.com/p/gerald-celente-on-gaz...

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by culi »

throwaway7783 wrote: post #20
null_deref wrote: post #6

Yes, eventually. I have tears in my eyes. Enduring more than a year with a preposterous populist government and endless deaths, this nightmare is finally over.

100% support ceasefire. 100% agree Israel overdid it. 100% support Hamas must cease to exist. Don't leave that last part out

IDF 100% should cease to exist as well. It's long overdue. I don't know how an organization can officially be labelled as genocidal and be allowed to continue functioning as they do

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by woooooo »

halflife wrote: post #75
Workaccount2 wrote: post #39

So I suppose it's just back to the status quo? What has really changed that will make a difference in 2-3 years from now? Israel has sowed a whole fresh generation of "I will sacrifice everything to wipe Israel" Palestinian youth.

The entirety of Hamas leadership is gone, Hamas will most likely not going to have control in Gaza (still being debated which mechanism will govern, this is part of the deal), the crossing to Egypt will be handled by foreign countries which will prevent weapon smuggling. And in the broader spectrum, hizballah is not more, Assad is no more, all of Iran’s proxies can no longer support Hamas’ ambitions which basically m…

You still have millions of people in Gaza and Lebanon who got bombed by Israel. Whether it's the existing groups or new groups going forward, the grievances are still there and bigger than ever. Let's wait a few before we declare anything changed.
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