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A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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What do you use now? I mix Perplexity and Google depending on the query, I wondered how that compares to Kagi. Yandex is a no-no for me as well

Perplexity serving ads now made me cancel them

Do they still serve ads when you subscribe?

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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I used Kagi for a year. It was a great experience, no ads, decent search results. I quit recently, when I discovered that they integrate with Yandex. I think it is unacceptable in the todays reality. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42349797 https://kagifeedback.org/d/5445-reconsider-yandex-integratio...

Kagi seems to genuinly have a good mission when it comes to the internet. I want small web search. I want good results. I will pay for search! I do not want to support Russia.

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Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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It's already dirt cheap at $10 per month. Businesses who want to be successful do not bargain on their prices to try to satisfy cheapskates who are never satisfied with anything else than free anyway. They set a fair price for their product and continue to improve the value they bring to real, paying customers. With that said, they should of course reduce their operating costs when they can, just like any business.

10$ a month is not cheap for a search engine where theoretically bigger and older engines out there are available for „free“. 10 is also psychologically difficult to accept than, I don‘t know like 4.99 for example. That‘s why it should be their focus to find a sweet spot, where it‘s still acceptable for general public to pull the trigger and subscribe and for them to keep doing this. This is not a streaming service o…

The general public will never pay for a search engine as long as they have a free option, supported by ads. And that's not a problem. There are millions of companies who have millions of customers, without being something for the general public.

> And I am 100% sure that if Kagi would cost 4,99$ a month, we would be talking about hundreds of thousands of users already.

I really don't think so. The difference between free and paid is gigantic in the minds of people, but between $5 and $10 not so much. Especially when it's a product that brings incredible value already. If you could have dinner at the best restaurant in the country for $10, or free cup noodles in the supermarket. Would you argue all day with the waiter that the dinner should be $5? I think most people would be happy with a great deal, or go stand in line for the free cup noodles.

As for privacy oriented customers, those are the absolutely worst customers imaginable for anybody selling anything. They bring a lot of headache and demand very much for the very little they pay. Building a business with trying to get people to pay because they hate your competitor is not sustainable. These customers are fickle and can start hating you instead for any or no reason. It's much better to have customers who like your product and think the price is great.

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Google search is almost useless for anything but the most basic queries now. Anything technical and it ignores half of the search terms like you said.

Google Search has been in decline since they came up with Google+ and removed the Plus Operator from Google Search at the same time (and replaced it with quotes that don't do the same thing). About 13-14 years ago.

If you add minus signs to of popular sites you get better results. However you then end up with a search of something like:

   -google -twitter -reddit -amazon -youtube some search

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Interview with the founder. https://daringfireball.net/thetalkshow/2024/12/24/ep-416

One of the worst interviews I've listened to, unfortunately. That Gruber fellow should try to shut up a while and let his guests talk, instead of endlessly jabber on uninteresting details.

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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your explanation boils down to "russia is an aggressor and hence will aggress". i'm considering the context - so, my perspective is a little more complicated.

Like "the US expanding NATO" haha. No one is coerced into joining NATO, ya goofball. Yes, dictators who express imperialist ambitions and who fashion themselves after former emperors tend to engage in empire building. Ooooo so complicated!

You don’t have to feed russian trolls. They dont care about morality or facts, they just spread propaganda

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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intext: and quoting solves this…

I haven't found quoting helps much. I also feel like i shouldnt have to craft search queries with a lot of inurl or other tags or quoting. Kagi just seems to work better. Its worth 10$ a month to me to not have to worry about it, I use search engines a lot.

and intext: ? I didn't say that quoting solves it

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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I've been using Kagi now for about a year, at the $5/mo. level, on browsers both at home and at work. Only once have I run out of searches before the end of the month (though I have no idea how often I've come close). I'm not sure it's worth $10 a month either, though it's the only search engine I use and I'm very happy with it. Depends on whether I run out of searches before monthly renewal or not, I guess.

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Like "the US expanding NATO" haha. No one is coerced into joining NATO, ya goofball. Yes, dictators who express imperialist ambitions and who fashion themselves after former emperors tend to engage in empire building. Ooooo so complicated!

You don’t have to feed russian trolls. They dont care about morality or facts, they just spread propaganda

Oh I know I have no hope of convincing them! But there are all sorts of less engaged people on here ready to be taken in by whatever slightly contrarian take they come across.

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Kagi is a tough pill to swallow. Their search is hands down the best around, there's no other way around it. That being said, $10/mo is also expensive. The workaround I found is using Kagi Ultimate. I get access to Claude (and I'm still able to attach files + access a dozen other LLMs) for $25/mo, so I was able to cancel Claude and keep Kagi and get the best of both worlds from either product. Side note: incredible t…

Is $10 really expensive? For most people, no. Can you think of $10/m you spend on something less important than search? A couple coffees, a sandwich, HBO, Netflix, a drink, using two gallons of gas recreationally, etc

I don’t drink coffee or alcohol, watch movies or drive a car.
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