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Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by tombert »

I haven't been to a club in a long time, but I am quite confident that if there's a hell for me, it's being forced to be in a club+rave for eternity.

I've never done any kind of "party drug" [1], and I think that party drugs have to be a requirement for me to enjoy something like that (at least for someone as awkward as me). Repetitive music that's so loud it hurts, not being able to talk to people, close contact to strangers of questionable hygiene; it's hard for me to even imagine how anyone could enjoy it.

I suspect that there are a lot of people like me who are finally being honest with themselves and acknowledging that they don't actually enjoy the entire club scene. Obviously if you like it, don't let me take it away from you, but one of the best parts of reaching age 30 for me was that no one expects or wants me to go to a club with them now.

[1] The only "recreational drugs" I've ever done are alcohol and caffeine, and I haven't had alcohol in quite awhile.

Re: Who killed the rave?

#142

Post by Vampiero »

tombert wrote: post #141

I haven't been to a club in a long time, but I am quite confident that if there's a hell for me, it's being forced to be in a club+rave for eternity. I've never done any kind of "party drug" [1], and I think that party drugs have to be a requirement for me to enjoy something like that (at least for someone as awkward as me). Repetitive music that's so loud it hurts, not being able to talk to people, close contact to…

Yeah no wonder you don't like raves. You might be the first person who went to one without taking drugs. Same for clubs tbh. That kind of music is made by people on particular drugs and it's meant to be listened to by people on those same drugs. And dancing is just a way to shake off the stimulants.

Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by tombert »

Vampiero wrote: post #142
tombert wrote: post #141

I haven't been to a club in a long time, but I am quite confident that if there's a hell for me, it's being forced to be in a club+rave for eternity. I've never done any kind of "party drug" [1], and I think that party drugs have to be a requirement for me to enjoy something like that (at least for someone as awkward as me). Repetitive music that's so loud it hurts, not being able to talk to people, close contact to…

Yeah no wonder you don't like raves. You might be the first person who went to one without taking drugs. Same for clubs tbh. That kind of music is made by people on particular drugs and it's meant to be listened to by people on those same drugs. And dancing is just a way to shake off the stimulants.

I'm honestly just a coward; I have no idea what's actually in drugs that people buy on the street, and if I get sick, what exactly am I going to do? Sue them?

My dad is an outlier who managed to never have any issues thankfully, but there is a pretty strong history of addiction (mostly alcoholism, but other stuff too) on my dad's side of the family, and as such I've always treated drugs pretty cautiously.

Re: Who killed the rave?

#144

Post by yoyohello13 »

Jorge1o1 wrote: post #51

I think it’s health related, as the article mentions. >One executive in the entertainment industry said younger people were less inclined to go out raving until 6am as they were more health conscious and less frivolous with money than previous generations This is the same generation that has 12 step skincare routines, eats only organic food, chooses to vape or zyn rather than smoke because of secondhand smoke, everyo…

I do find these kinds of articles funny. "Why are the younger generations not destroying their bodies like we did?" Maybe we just don't want to bro.

Re: Who killed the rave?

#145

Post by bckr »

wintermutestwin wrote: post #114
Nexxxeh wrote: post #86

In the two cities either side of me, a large portion of the organised events (on the DnB side at least) seem to be going daytime with a 10pm or 11pm finish on a weekend. Great fun. And there's still nighttime ones (also great fun) and illegal ones (which look to also be great fun).

I’d love to find DnB with 10-11pm finish time. Any tips on finding them in the SF bay area?

You can find pretty much any dance event in the bay at 19hz.info

Re: Who killed the rave?

#146

Post by throwway120385 »

celticninja wrote: post #63
yieldcrv wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And more people are satisfied with the vibes at the better facilities

Those are the people that would not be satisfied with the vibe and would actually detract from it, if they didn't like the facilities. But sure you go mass appeal and you get a manufactured mass appeal vibe, which on the scale of rave vibes is a 3 or 4 and the scale is exponential. If you don't know you don't know but it's worth checking it out if you can.

Above & Beyond throw some pretty huge weekenders and the vibe in those giant expensive festivals is pretty good. Swiffer guy not withstanding.

Re: Who killed the rave?

#147

Post by lelandfe »

snakeyjake wrote: post #136

It's probably the same mechanism that relegated the sock hop to a rare anachronism. I don't have a subscription to ft.com. Is it "tastes change" or a sexier and clickbaitier mound of bullshit?

https://archive.is/ul4Ui

Quoting the bits that take stabs at explaining it:

> [Night-time consultancy co-founder] Leichsenring said venue owners were often closing their doors earlier to save on costs, as revenue from drink sales tended to drop off in the early morning hours.

> More restrictive licensing rules after Covid-19 have also become an issue for clubs and promoters in cities across the globe

> The increased popularity of daytime events and festivals is another factor

> One executive in the entertainment industry said younger people were less inclined to go out raving until 6am as they were more health conscious and less frivolous with money than previous generations

Re: Who killed the rave?

#148

Post by jjulius »

Vampiero wrote: post #142
tombert wrote: post #141

I haven't been to a club in a long time, but I am quite confident that if there's a hell for me, it's being forced to be in a club+rave for eternity. I've never done any kind of "party drug" [1], and I think that party drugs have to be a requirement for me to enjoy something like that (at least for someone as awkward as me). Repetitive music that's so loud it hurts, not being able to talk to people, close contact to…

Yeah no wonder you don't like raves. You might be the first person who went to one without taking drugs. Same for clubs tbh. That kind of music is made by people on particular drugs and it's meant to be listened to by people on those same drugs. And dancing is just a way to shake off the stimulants.

Howdy! I've been huge into electronic music since I was 12 (currently 38). Literally fell in love with the music for the sake of the music. Started going out at 18, didn't try drugs until my mid-20's. Enjoy drugs, sometimes I'll take them, but most of the time I'm either sober or just a bit stoned. But even the weed isn't a requirement for me. I can be out until 5AM, loving the whole experience, because the music is what I want.

In fact, I've been absolutely cranking this[1] crazy shit on repeat for weeks now and have been sober each time! The mixing, the flow, and the leftfield-weirdness of the whole thing hits my soul juuuuuuust right.

So, we're out there. Much of the people who regularly support the scene are also often sober, or don't regularly party hard. Check your preconceived notions and blanket generalizations at the door, please, and then try coming out to a show. We'd be happy to show you how things actually are. :)

[1]https://soundcloud.com/dkmntl/azu-tiwaline-at-lentekabinet-2...

Re: Who killed the rave?

#149

Post by iamthirsty »

carlmr wrote: post #137
in-pursuit wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assert this without evidence, but I would highly suspect club attendance numbers and rave attendance numbers to be strongly correlated.

Strong negative correlation? Can't attend both events, and most people only have the weekend to attend max one event.

You should come to Miami. Some people start the night at a normal club, go to a rave at Factory town, and meet the sunrise at Space, all in one night.

Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by ElevenLathe »

carlmr wrote: post #137
in-pursuit wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assert this without evidence, but I would highly suspect club attendance numbers and rave attendance numbers to be strongly correlated.

Strong negative correlation? Can't attend both events, and most people only have the weekend to attend max one event.

Maybe on a particular night, but on any longer timescale: how does one make friends who will tell you about the cool underground scene without first meeting them in the aboveground club scene? Maybe online stuff plays this purpose now but I assume its still mostly the former.
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