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Re: Tell HN: Impassable Cloudflare challenges are ruining my browsing experience

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Post by ToucanLoucan »

krior wrote: post #117
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly I click an unsubscribe link but if it requires me to complete a survey or fill out a form, I just nix the tab and spam filter the email. I'm nobody's fucking admin assistant and my time is valuable: you know my fucking email and could easily add it to the think, or at the most, ask me to type it into a box if you MUST. Anything more than that, if I have to manually opt out of "types" of messages or whatever,…

If the survey has text fields and I have enough spite left in me I fill them with "[object Object]" in the hopes it makes someones day more miserable than mine.

takes notes

Re: Tell HN: Impassable Cloudflare challenges are ruining my browsing experience

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Post by rad_gruchalski »

olyjohn wrote: post #98
scarface_74 wrote: post #66

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If I have a process that works for 95% of the people, why should I care about outliers who use Linux behind a VPN on a heavily customized version of Firefox?

Maybe you should try to care about something other than just your bottom line. I'm sorry if this sounds mean, but this attitude just turns the web into a giant monoculture because you can't be bothered to care. It actually ends up hurting everybody in the long run. Look how long we were trapped with IE6. Amazing how people forget history so quickly.

> Maybe you should try to care about something other than just your bottom line.

You can do so when your bottom line is healthy. Otherwise you go out of business. That’s business 101.

Re: Tell HN: Impassable Cloudflare challenges are ruining my browsing experience

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Post by stavros »

PaulHoule wrote: post #90

It's ironic but I was having terrible problems accessing archive.today when I was using Cloudflare DNS (1.1.1.1) that cleared up when I switched to either my ISP's provider or Google's 8.8.8.8. I was not the only one https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38063548 What's funny about it is that as a human I get tormented by those things all the time but I have been writing bots since 1999 and have yet to have had CAPTCH…

That's not because of spam blocking (directly), it's because of a particularity between how the operator of archive.today wants to handle DNS and how the Cloudflare resolver handles it.

Re: Tell HN: Impassable Cloudflare challenges are ruining my browsing experience

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Post by metalliqaz »

TiredOfLife wrote: post #115
LeifCarrotson wrote: post #95

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No, wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com is a customer of Cloudflare, but the outcome is the same.

Then ask them to disable Cloudflare.

good luck with that

Re: Tell HN: Impassable Cloudflare challenges are ruining my browsing experience

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Post by Zak »

ghjfrdghibt wrote: post #85
gruez wrote: post #62

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>The issue is scummy companies like cloudflare which are causing these issues. If your software is blocking legitimate users then your software is shit at its job. It's not the users fault. But if you're going out of your way to look suspicious (ie. "I use a heavily customized Firefox config on Linux"), surely you'd agree at some point it goes from "your software is shit at its job" to "it's your fault for looking su…

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Mobile operating systems with remote attestation (that's both Android and iOS) aren't far off from that with regard to native apps. It doesn't affect the web yet, but Google did propose adding an attestation mechanism to Chrome.

Re: Tell HN: Impassable Cloudflare challenges are ruining my browsing experience

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Post by mike_d »

michaelmior wrote: post #73
derefr wrote: post #44

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> it's pretty much impossible to bypass as a human if their magical black box doesn't like your browser and/or IP address There are residential-IP-backed VPN services that you can use just like commercial VPN services — but they're mostly built on the backs of botnets, so it's ethically questionable to use them.

FWIW, StarVPN claims to have "ethically sourced" IPs. That is, not from botnets. Their pricing is quite a bit higher than many (cheapest plan is $20/month), but could be worth trying. https://www.starvpn.com/

The "residential VPN" providers setup fake ISPs or buy AT&T/Verizon business circuits with large blocks of IPs and sell them as residential.

They are easily detected if you are buying IP intelligence from one of the higher quality providers: https://app.spur.us/context?q=STARVPN_PROXY

Re: Tell HN: Impassable Cloudflare challenges are ruining my browsing experience

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Post by oliwarner »

Liquix wrote: post #116
oliwarner wrote: post #96

Cloudflare's —and most similar services'— stance here comes from these VPN funnelling not just people like you, but also attackers. It's untrustworthy traffic from their perspective. Use a VPN but use a normal network. VPN back to your home, your office. Your traffic will probably take a throughput and latency hit but it looks like real residential traffic, and that's a lot less sus.

but then all of your traffic comes from a single IP which is eventually associated with your identity. this defeats one of the core purposes of using a VPN to circumvent surveillance capitalism.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but in the context of travel, I would suggest most people use the VPN because they don't trust the networks they're connecting to, more than wanting to avoid surveillance, which would apply without the travel component.

I also can't think of one of the popular VPNs that get heavily advertised that I'd trust to actually protect my privacy.

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