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Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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SoftTalker wrote: post #88
xiphias2 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BYD is continuing what Tesla started: getting cheaper while scaling up battery and car production. The market is there for worse and much cheaper electric cars, just not mainly in US.

I think some of that demand is there in the US. My daily needs for a car would be satisfied with 100 mile range, allowing for a pretty generous buffer. I also sometimes need to drive beyond the range of an EV without wanting to think about recharging delays or possibly getting stranded. I'd consider owning a very cheap small EV for my daily needs, but not at the prices they command today. Even something like a Nissan…

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Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by seattle_spring »

mbesto wrote: post #58

My friend said it best: "EVs are great second cars" I think we're finally hitting the saturation point of EVs as the market who adopted them is realizing their flaws as a primary vehicle: - Inadequate infrastructure (both localized "my apartment doesn't have a charging station" and more globally "I stopped at a supercharger station and it was full of people so my charge went from 100 kW to 15 kW and took 45 min to ch…

> you have to replace the battery every 10 years

That's like saying you have to replace a dishwasher every year because it only comes with a 1-year warranty.

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Post by j4coh »

orwin wrote: post #118
j4coh wrote: post #38

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I guess it speaks more to his utter lack of social skills than anything how he has managed to convince both the far left and far right he is simultaneously an Elder of Zion super-Liberal enemy as well as a white supremacist fascist enemy. Comments supporting both readings keep popping up as replies and then get insta-flagged.

You have almost no far left in the US. You have extreme ID politics (that are distributed on the far right, the right, the "extreme center" and socdems) and a bastardized radical center[0] that include almost every politicians, even those who appear socdems or far-right. And here i'm using far-right to designate people who want to come back on minority rights, and i separate it from the right. (Because when supposed…

I am not in the US but thanks for the info.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by nabla9 »

canucker2016 wrote: post #78

Previous years vehicle sales for Tesla (TSLA - stock ticker) - source: https://www.factorywarrantylist.com/car-sales-by-manufacture... Year Sales Percent Increase from prev. yr 2023 1,808,581 ↑ 32% 2022 1,369,611 ↑ 47% 2021 930,422 ↑ 83% TSLA market cap is more than the next 19 car manufacturers combined! Source: https://companiesmarketcap.com/automakers/largest-automakers...

For reference: BYD Auto sold 4.27 million vehicles 41.3% jump from 2023 and has already roughly 50% of Tesla's revenue. May go past Tesla in 1-2 years.

TSLA is #13 biggest car manufacturer by revenue.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by r00fus »

mbesto wrote: post #58

My friend said it best: "EVs are great second cars" I think we're finally hitting the saturation point of EVs as the market who adopted them is realizing their flaws as a primary vehicle: - Inadequate infrastructure (both localized "my apartment doesn't have a charging station" and more globally "I stopped at a supercharger station and it was full of people so my charge went from 100 kW to 15 kW and took 45 min to ch…

We're a 2 EV family and have had no problems whatsoever. We do have a 3rd gas vehicle (older minivan) but that's mostly because when we bought the 2nd EV there were no reasonably priced 3-row vehicles (No, the Model X and Model Y don't count as a real 3 row), and we never got around to selling it.

Yeah, EVs aren't yet at gas car parity but it's close enough for many people. We really don't do much interstate traveling and live in a sunny state.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by r00fus »

bearjaws wrote: post #87
mbesto wrote: post #58

My friend said it best: "EVs are great second cars" I think we're finally hitting the saturation point of EVs as the market who adopted them is realizing their flaws as a primary vehicle: - Inadequate infrastructure (both localized "my apartment doesn't have a charging station" and more globally "I stopped at a supercharger station and it was full of people so my charge went from 100 kW to 15 kW and took 45 min to ch…

It does not go down to 15kw. At old Tesla stations it went from 150kw to 75kw. Any v3 station (first introduced in 2019!) will stay at 150kw to 250kw. I haven't seen a v2 station in 2 years now. You also don't need a battery based on its age, you need it based on its mileage. Some people like my wife only drive 8k miles a year, which is more around 20 years...

If your EV battery isn't pre-conditioned for cold driving, it can and will get down to low double digits. That said, it's only an issue in winter and colder climes.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by toshinoriyagi »

chvid wrote: post #80
bryanlarsen wrote: post #20

In contrast, BYD sold over 500,000 vehicles in December alone. https://electrek.co/2025/01/02/byds-ev-sales-surged-2024-eno...

But none in the US and only very few in the EU.

The current 100% tariff on EVs from China^[1] may play a large part in the US market. The latest Xiaomi seems like a pretty good deal. Even Ford's CEO said he had been driving it for the last 6 months to understand the competition better and he didn't want to go back to his old car^[2]. I won't bother though since I have to pay double.

[1] https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases...

[2] https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a62694325/ford-ceo-jim-far...

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Post by r00fus »

avgDev wrote: post #40
babyent wrote: post #35

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Lucid Air is quite a nice car. My next EV will be a Lucid if I choose to start driving again.

Lucid is a bit too expensive for me. However, Hyundai seems to make decent EVs. I will consider one after I upgrade my electrical panel to support decent charge speed.

The newest Kia (Hyundai's sister brand) EV6 can also do massive V2L - can support 12kW power - combine that with a transfer switch, and your car doubles as your backup battery/generator.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by [deleted] »

FloorEgg wrote: post #104
tzs wrote: post #96

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It's not a bad thing if someone is at odds with both extremes because they are in the center. It is a bad thing if they are at odds with both extremes because they are one extreme on some issues and the other extreme on the rest of the issues. It's like how a house that is averages 68℉ (20℃) by being 68℉ (20℃) all day is a lot more pleasant than house that averages 68℉ (20℃) by being 50℉ (10℃) for half the day and 86…

What issues do you find he is extreme on?

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