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Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by hu3 »

mdaniel wrote: post #111
hu3 wrote: post #53

Related. This is the bookmark I use to summarize websites using ChatGPT: javascript:window.open('https://chatgpt.com/?q=summarize this page in 100 words: '+encodeURIComponent(window.location.href),'_blank'); Basically it opens a new tab on chatgpt.com with the prompt: "summarize this page in 100 words: URL" Tested on Firefox and Chrome. Some websites block ChatGPT and can't be summarized this way. Works in incognito/…

I was surprised about the "doesn't require a ChatGPT account" part but when I tried it from an incognito window their "4o mini" gave back I cannot access external links directly. However, if you provide the text or key points from the page, I can help summarize it for you! and clicking the model selection drop-down produced "Log in to try advanced features"

interesting so it didn't work for you unfortunately. Give me 2 minutes I'll try it and screenshot the result in both browsers.

edit: you're right it requires the user to be logged in to crawl websites. Somehow in my test while writing it I was logged in. My bad.

So while it's handy, it's not perfect.

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by HKH2 »

Dalewyn wrote: post #29

Shit like this is why Mozilla deserves to die. They have overstayed their welcome and just drag the rest of us all down.

At least it's more useful than their limited edition themes.

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

drdaeman wrote: post #87
Duwensatzaj wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What's their actual product differentiation from Chrome these days? Providing monopoly protection to Google. They have no interest in actually competing for market share.

Firefox has only a few percents of market share - how is it a protection?

The swindled their 90% share down to <9%, but Google can point to Firefox and try and claim they aren’t a monopoly.

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

pier25 wrote: post #58
reissbaker wrote: post #32

Why does Mozilla always spin their wheels releasing random side projects? Cloud-hosting an outdated tiny LLM that you can't swap out or run locally, to do basic summarization? This just doesn't feel like an area of strategic focus that makes sense for Mozilla. GPUs are expensive, talent to do inference well is expensive, and the actual product they're shipping seems pretty marginally useful at best. If they shipped v…

It's such a waste of resources. They should just focus in making a better browser.

It should be clear that Mozilla Co has far more interest in social issues and galas than browsers.

Truly one of the most self-sabotaging companies I’ve ever seen.

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by keerthiko »

reissbaker wrote: post #32

Why does Mozilla always spin their wheels releasing random side projects? Cloud-hosting an outdated tiny LLM that you can't swap out or run locally, to do basic summarization? This just doesn't feel like an area of strategic focus that makes sense for Mozilla. GPUs are expensive, talent to do inference well is expensive, and the actual product they're shipping seems pretty marginally useful at best. If they shipped v…

For me:

- continued support for manifest V2 (primarily because ublock origin would stop working if forced to V3 only)

- the firefox address bar is way smarter for any given string i type in than chrome's. it's ability to surface the most relevant deeplinks from my history, vs top level site, vs perform a web search, is night and day difference from the randomness that other browser search bars offer.

- I have the opportunity to use Zen (a Firefox fork) [0] and it's 100% interoperable with my vanilla Firefox instances across devices -- i can even send tabs from my Firefox Nightly on Android to my Zen instances on Windows or Mac. BTW Zen has vertical tab support, (more) first-party multi-profile support, and preserves the address bar behaviors of vanilla Firefox.

[0]: https://zen-browser.app/

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by wpm »

mrec wrote: post #107
forgotmypw17 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me, the product differentiation of Firefox is a bunch of small convenience features which Chrome in its monolithism refuses to provide, such as: Allowing Backspace to go back a page. The built-in screenshot tool. Being able to turn off smooth scrolling. Support for a menubar, so that I can navigate the features I want quickly. Being able to choose page encodings (I use a non-Latin charset language). A usable/usef…

Out of curiosity, what "obvious reasons" issues have you had with Docs and YouTube. I use Firefox for everything, including those, without problems. (Though not in any kind of advanced way.)

I use Firefox on my HTPC, running a 6700K with 24GB of RAM. Not new, but not “slow”. Clicking a YouTube video will cause a three second page load, even if the actual “page” says it’s finished loading. Videos will start to play audio before the page is rendered. Navigating back and forth causes issues like this too. Sometimes I can get it to show a video but not change the title or comments that it renders. If I accidentally click the “Shorts” hyperlink I basically have to close the tab to stop it from endlessly playing shorts in the background of the SPA.

It’s awful. The best example I experience on a day to day basis that the SPA as a concept is utterly flawed. YouTube is a fucking webpage that fails to work like a webpage and an app that behaves like a students rough alpha. An utterly painful experience, continually made worse by likely skilled devs who are managed by complete bozo losers. But at least the progress bar has an ugly pink hue now.

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by hu3 »

ipaddr wrote: post #118
scq wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Safari and Edge have larger market shares, they don't need Firefox for that.

Edge is based off of chrome. Safari isn't a browser outside of Apple computers.

IMO the value is more about market share of the browser than the engine.

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by skydhash »

cosmic_cheese wrote: post #137
teruakohatu wrote: post #127

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Given that web browsers are the heaviest application most users are running, and they are running them on low end 10yr old laptops with 8gb of RAM, I think an ultra modern lightweight web browser would be noticeably better. Web browser crawl on these low end laptops. This is how Firefox became popular in the first place, by being better. The “we need an alternative to the “WebKit/blink/chromium” monopoly is what the…

Web slowness has much more to do with sites than with browsers. Where sites have accumulated Everest-sized balls of JavaScript mud, web engines have only become more optimized. If you visit “old web” style pages (Macintosh Garden for example) on old machines with modern browsers there’s no speed problem at all. In the face of all that JS, there’s only so far a spiffy new browser can improve the situation, aside from…

Most of the new features on the web are corporation driven. The only web site I reluctantly give microphone access is Google Meet and this should have been a desktop app. We have so many layout engines in a browser while layout for both documents and GUI have been solved for decades. Every new feature is just reinventing the wheel to solve a non problem.

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by forgotmypw17 »

thrdbndndn wrote: post #134
forgotmypw17 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me, the product differentiation of Firefox is a bunch of small convenience features which Chrome in its monolithism refuses to provide, such as: Allowing Backspace to go back a page. The built-in screenshot tool. Being able to turn off smooth scrolling. Support for a menubar, so that I can navigate the features I want quickly. Being able to choose page encodings (I use a non-Latin charset language). A usable/usef…

> Allowing Backspace to go back a page. Easily solved by https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/go-back-with-backsp... their first party webext. > Being able to turn off smooth scrolling. Can disable as easily as Firefox -- chrome://flags/#smooth-scrolling Actually, Firefox lately introduced a bug that will reset smooth scrolling everytime I remote desktop to my Windows machine. Which is annoying AF and they haven'…

>Easily solved by https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/go-back-with-backsp... their first party webext.

This only works on pages where extensions are enabled, and only after the extension is successfully activated, so about 30% failure rate for me.

>Can disable as easily as Firefox -- chrome://flags/#smooth-scrolling

This has not worked for me reliably, and the flag has been renamed several times.

For example, on my Mac, it reads "Not available on your platform."

>Actually, Firefox lately introduced a bug that will reset smooth scrolling everytime I remote desktop to my Windows machine. Which is annoying AF and they haven't fixed it for months.

I'm blessed to not have experienced this.

>https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/set-character-encod...

Same as the other extension comment above, only works once extension activates successfully.

>Settings -> On Startup -> Continue where you left off

This is not the same feature.

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by wpm »

reissbaker wrote: post #32

Why does Mozilla always spin their wheels releasing random side projects? Cloud-hosting an outdated tiny LLM that you can't swap out or run locally, to do basic summarization? This just doesn't feel like an area of strategic focus that makes sense for Mozilla. GPUs are expensive, talent to do inference well is expensive, and the actual product they're shipping seems pretty marginally useful at best. If they shipped v…

Their product differentiation is that they aren’t fucking Chromium.
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