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Re: FTC orders 'gun detection' tech maker Evolv to stop overstating effectiveness

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Multiple concert venues in my city use these, so I interact with them all the time. They have replaced standard metal detectors, bag searches, and manual patdowns w/ hands and/or metal-detecting wands. Security checkpoints are the primary point of delay for getting into venues, and places that have rolled these out process people through about 95% faster. It's a huge difference. If it does trigger, you just get the m…

I guess on a more general level, I'm confused why a metal detector with bit some machine learning on top wouldn't make a better widget? You'd think that different shape metal object produce different magnetic flux, and there's probably more dimensions to that than just size?

If it's just a gate that you are walking through then it's all or nothing. Basically just a metal detector.

If you have a conveyor belt system and a CT scanner like setup then yes, you could build a better metal detector.

Re: FTC orders 'gun detection' tech maker Evolv to stop overstating effectiveness

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not a metal detector it’s optical. What does a person with a pistol strapped to their inner thigh walk like? Or a knife? There is no possible way to detect that visually.

> There is no possible way to detect that visually. Well, let's not go that far. Security personnel definitely detect people carrying weapons by gait and the way their clothing hangs. Certainly computers could help do the same. Can it ever be reliable enough? Ehh, I doubt it.

And will that disproportionately flag against the disabled? Like people who drag a leg, use walking sticks and frames, etc? Have an insulin pump under the clothing?

Re: FTC orders 'gun detection' tech maker Evolv to stop overstating effectiveness

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post #142
post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There is no possible way to detect that visually. Well, let's not go that far. Security personnel definitely detect people carrying weapons by gait and the way their clothing hangs. Certainly computers could help do the same. Can it ever be reliable enough? Ehh, I doubt it.

And will that disproportionately flag against the disabled? Like people who drag a leg, use walking sticks and frames, etc? Have an insulin pump under the clothing?

Unfortunately, security screening already pays disproportional attention to the disabled. E.g., we are talking about this in a thread about metal detectors, which will flag on most of these people.
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