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Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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dpassens wrote: post #113
bratwurst3000 wrote: post #103

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the only i can think of is sentence with comatas. In german you can have as many „hauptsätze“ in one sentence as long they are separated by a comma. for example what thomas berndhard does is crazy. its one sentence per page. i think in german you can be more precise in one sentence. but that will be a hell of a sentence.

Can't you just use a semicolon to do the same in English? And even if not, just because an idea is split over several sentences doesn't mean you can't communicate it. That's what paragraphs are for.

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Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by mytailorisrich »

CrLf wrote: post #83
mytailorisrich wrote: post #69

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> Socialism is about putting people first and making sure no one is left behind by society No, that's not what socialism is but I won't develop here because the definition is so available and well-known.

You may want to look into the ideologies of European political parties that have "socialist" in their names, instead of relying on definitions from the Soviet revolution. Socialism in Europe is social democracy. The only difference between "socialist" and "social democratic" parties in Europe is how fractionally close to the right or left side of the center line they are.

The definition of socialism does not change and has not changed, and it's not "social democracy".

Many European political parties that have "socialist" in their names are historically socialist but have all but abandonned that ideology in favour of social democracy (i.e they have moved right) because, as we know, socialism was tried and it failed so there has been a lot of soul-searching on the left since the fall of the USSR and al.

That does not mean that there aren't socialists anymore, including in major parties.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by aveao »

ulnarkressty wrote: post #71
Y_Y wrote: post #9

I love watching CCC every years though I rarely catch it live. Since we have a couple of days to wait for this year's talk, I'll ask. Does it bother anyone else that some talks are in German, or does it bother anyone else that they find themselves bothered that the talks are in German? I love all languages great and small, natural and formal and so I'm conflicted on subjects like this. I find young German speakers to…

I have commented about this in the past and got downvoted for it. There is a reason why virtually all international conferences require presentations and talks to be held in English. If this was a German-only event it would be understandable, however as it is written on their website the CCC congress is "the biggest European hacker gathering and has grown into one of the most important conferences on digital transfor…

It's a balance. Congress aims to be accessible ticket cost-wise to all.

Professional interpreters cost a lot of money, and as such it's done by volunteers. There's little to be done while maintaining the spirit of the event.

Nothing prevents people from redubbing talks either, which may honestly be a good community effort.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by mxfh »

diggan wrote: post #125
bijant wrote: post #117

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Events like these have always been politicized, but I guess in a different direction than what you are personally seeing now. Is there any 3rd party articles/posts about the events you're describing?

If you think the ccc was ever not political, I don't know what to tell you. I just hope you mistook the congress for some random tech-sponsored event for lack of better knowledge.

It's founder worked for taz, probably the largest most left-wing newspaper in the BRD at the time. The founding call was puplished in there, the club never shied away from positioning itself clearly on the left in political discussions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wau_Holland

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by Y_Y »

crest wrote: post #84
Y_Y wrote: post #9

I love watching CCC every years though I rarely catch it live. Since we have a couple of days to wait for this year's talk, I'll ask. Does it bother anyone else that some talks are in German, or does it bother anyone else that they find themselves bothered that the talks are in German? I love all languages great and small, natural and formal and so I'm conflicted on subjects like this. I find young German speakers to…

There is a realtime translation team that's available as an audio track in the life streams as. The translation is done be volunteers. The last ~5 years they managed to translate all the German and English slots on the official stages. Some less common language options may be provided later e.g. Spanish, French, Chinese, funni dialects like Plattdeutsch, etc.

Thanks for the info, I don't know how I wasn't aware.

May it serve as a warning, I put myself in mortal danger recently by referring to Plattdeutsch as a dialect (rather than a language). I have no skin in that game but some people feel strongly about it.

I'm general though I'd say that:

> a shprakh iz a dyalekt mit an armey un flot[0]

(Here I've rendered the Yiddish in Latin rather than Hebrew for emphasis.)

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_language_is_a_dialect_with_a...

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by lolinder »

diggan wrote: post #127
lolinder wrote: post #119

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This is way better than usual, but still a step down from what could be: just load the NoJS schedule with the initial page load and then replace it with your React app or whatever it is if JS is enabled. You can have the same banner at the top letting people know there's more functionality with JS. The only downside is more info over the wire, but it's not that much more, especially as a fraction of the already-slow…

I'm guessing they, like most websites, try to cater to the most common type of visitor of their website. Most of which has JavaScript enabled, even though I'm sure the percentage of visitors with JS enabled is much much lower than on other websites.

Right, but what they actually did strikes me as a slightly weird halfway measure for supporting the NoJS use case. Optimizing away the NoJS page does not gain any significant amount of speed for the average-case visitor, but it does communicate to the NoJS user that while they're at least a citizen (an improvement over most of the web to be sure!) they're still a second-class citizen.

Again, this is much better than nothing. I'm just pointing out that this design pattern isn't as good as it could be, and if someone reading this wants to implement full support for the NoJS users they can do so by just making the NoJS landing page be the default and replacing it with the interactive app's content root.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by NetOpWibby »

arrrg wrote: post #137
bijant wrote: post #117

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You went into women only spaces with the obvious intent to troll. Quote: „Deshalb ist der Chaos Computer Club nach seiner Satzung und nach dem Willen der Mitglieder eine galaktische Gemeinschaft für alle Lebensformen. Als solche wollen wir allen Teilnehmenden eine sichere und schöne Erfahrung auf unseren Veranstaltungen bieten, unabhängig von Alter, geschlechtlicher und sexueller Identität, körperlichen und geistigen…

YIKES

And dude says he was thrown out for “political reasons” as if it was just a minor thing. SMDH

He needs to get a grip.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by aveao »

davrosthedalek wrote: post #136
hengheng wrote: post #20

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I'm a native speaker and I hate how people have been stumbling through their presentations, lacking basic vocabulary, being dragged along by their bullet points. It wasn't even the accent, it was that the language occupied their minds so much that they couldn't think about what they had to say or how they were saying it. Lots of talks felt like watching a ninth grader in front of the classroom. Now some of these guys…

>Please, CCC, don't send these people on a stage that they don't enjoy when you could also work with them to get their stuff across. Hmm, maybe this is actually a problem the community can address. For our conferences, people who are new to giving talks normally have a practice run or two at their universities with local people. Then they get feedback how to improve the talk. It doesn't work wonders, but it does help…

These sessions would help few imo. It'd eat into people's congress time (few arrive before the event due to christmas), making it less appealing. Many also prepare their slides and talk last minute. Not a whole lot that can be done there.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by diggan »

mxfh wrote: post #144
diggan wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Events like these have always been politicized, but I guess in a different direction than what you are personally seeing now. Is there any 3rd party articles/posts about the events you're describing?

If you think the ccc was ever not political, I don't know what to tell you. I just hope you mistook the congress for some random tech-sponsored event for lack of better knowledge. It's founder worked for taz, probably the largest most left-wing newspaper in the BRD at the time. The founding call was puplished in there, the club never shied away from positioning itself clearly on the left in political discussions. htt…

Yes, this is more or less what I was trying to say, but painting it even broader and saying Hacker events like these as a whole are political in nature, not just CCC.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by _19qg »

davrosthedalek wrote: post #109
CrLf wrote: post #83

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You may want to look into the ideologies of European political parties that have "socialist" in their names, instead of relying on definitions from the Soviet revolution. Socialism in Europe is social democracy. The only difference between "socialist" and "social democratic" parties in Europe is how fractionally close to the right or left side of the center line they are.

For the more central block parties, this is correct. But for many ultra-left and ultra-right parties, this is not necessarily true. There are true Marxist or Stalinist blocks in many of the ultra-left. There are straight-up fascists in the right wing "national socialist" parties.

ultra-right parties may have "socialist" in their name, but they are typically not in a sense connected to Marx&Hegel. Example: the "National-Sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei" (Hitler's NSDAP) was not marxist.
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