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McKinsey and Company to pay $650M for role in opioid crisis

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Post by madaxe_again »

gonzobonzo wrote: post #76
jmcgough wrote: post #28

A slap on the wrist. After a half million Americans have died from a crisis they helped kickstart, they should be facing criminal charges and jail time. The rich and powerful once again are allowed to buy their freedom.

> A slap on the wrist. After a half million Americans have died from a crisis they helped kickstart, they should be facing criminal charges and jail time. I keep reading people who say, over and over again, that the war on drugs is a failure and that it's a mistake to try criminally prosecute suppliers and send them to prison. People will always find a way to get the drugs if they want them, we're told. But then I se…

So what, you think a kid who deals a single gram of cannabis should spend the rest of their lives in prison? How is that just?

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Post by vkou »

black_puppydog wrote: post #106
duped wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only way to kill 500,000 people practically is to do it by the letter of the law. Murder (especially for money) doesn't scale without being a state or quasi state actor, or something on that tier.

German speaking here. Last I checked, the Nuremberg trials weren't settled.

The Nuremberg trials were a slap on the wrist compared to what the collective perpetrators, beneficiaries, and active agents of the war and the associated genocide deserved.

The broader cultural impact of them (and of the war guilt) imposed on Germany landed fairly well, though. Unfortunately, it is possible that it might have landed less well if the punishments actually fit the crimes.

Observe and contrast it to Japan's take on its war guilt, and its less-than-enthusiastic attitude towards taking responsibility.

Re: McKinsey and Company to pay $650M for role in opioid crisis

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Post by dns_snek »

gonzobonzo wrote: post #76
jmcgough wrote: post #28

A slap on the wrist. After a half million Americans have died from a crisis they helped kickstart, they should be facing criminal charges and jail time. The rich and powerful once again are allowed to buy their freedom.

> A slap on the wrist. After a half million Americans have died from a crisis they helped kickstart, they should be facing criminal charges and jail time. I keep reading people who say, over and over again, that the war on drugs is a failure and that it's a mistake to try criminally prosecute suppliers and send them to prison. People will always find a way to get the drugs if they want them, we're told. But then I se…

People involved in the opioid crisis pushed unnecessary and extremely addictive drugs onto unsuspecting people who trusted them with their care, and it was all done through very intentional deception, lies about how these drugs weren't addictive when they absolutely knew that they were, and through corruption by offering doctors kickbacks for getting people hooked on them.

Ignoring everything else, do you really fail to see how bribing doctor to lie to people about the nature of highly addictive drugs is different from a consensual transaction between two adults?

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Post by throwawaythekey »

threeseed wrote: post #51
roenxi wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which wasn't justified and should probably be an illegal requirement on privacy grounds. It doesn't make a difference if people doing work were vaccinated or not. It turns out to have had little in-practice effect on transmission, so the only important question is whether the passengers on things like a cruise were vaccinated themselves. They were evidence-free policies. We had a great natural case study in Australia…

> We had a great natural case study in Australia of COVID through a vaccinated population. Everyone caught it over the course of a month, the vaccines did basically nothing to stop the spread. They were pretty much only useful on an individual level which means there was never a requirement for any coercive measures. I am from Australia and this is all nonsense. a) Vaccines are not designed to prevent transmission. T…

I hate to nitpick but as you called the previous comment nonsense

> Vaccines are not designed to prevent transmission. They are designed to stop people from getting seriously ill and dying.

Vaccines are commonly designed to prevent transmission. For example it is a critical aspect of the measles vaccine [1]. If a magic wand could've been waved the covid vaccines would've worked that way too, and that is why they were sold to the public as reducing transmission.

> Vaccines and lockdowns were vital in high-density areas like Victoria and NSW...

There are enough counterexamples of people and places where different trade-offs were chosen. e.g. Brisbane. To say they were vital is injecting your own opinion.

c) COVID was only allowed to spread once enough of the population was vaccinated... instead of needing to go into hospital people could stay at home... it has taken years for the system to recover.

The overwhelming majority of people were always just going to need to stay at home for a few days, even pre vaccine. The reason the system has taken so long to recover is due to the suboptimal approach we took where we elongated the period of reduced throughput through the hospital system. The effect here was threefold:

1) The backlog of surgeries needed to be cleared.

2) Many patients had worsened over covid and now required more intense treatment.

3) Preventable disease was not being caught in routine checkups etc.

[1] https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/i...

Re: McKinsey and Company to pay $650M for role in opioid crisis

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Post by remarkEon »

krispyfi wrote: post #94
gonzobonzo wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A slap on the wrist. After a half million Americans have died from a crisis they helped kickstart, they should be facing criminal charges and jail time. I keep reading people who say, over and over again, that the war on drugs is a failure and that it's a mistake to try criminally prosecute suppliers and send them to prison. People will always find a way to get the drugs if they want them, we're told. But then I se…

The shady business practices of McKinsey and Purdue are responsible for getting a lot of people dependent on opioids, but the overdose deaths skyrocketed once doctors were forced to cut patients off of their prescriptions and into the fentanyl-ridden black market due to pressure from DEA. Drug War propaganda has convinced us that addiction is as bad as death, but personally, I would rather live a long, happy and prod…

>dependent on cheap, legal opioids

Life long customer.

Re: McKinsey and Company to pay $650M for role in opioid crisis

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Post by teamspirit »

tivert wrote: post #128
genocidicbunny wrote: post #73

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If you or I killed a half a million people, we wouldn't be facing 20 years in prison. We'd be lucky to not be facing a firing squad or a noose. All I ask is that the leadership of McKinsey be treated to that same standard. Let their golden parachutes be literal.

> If you or I killed a half a million people, we wouldn't be facing 20 years in prison. We'd be lucky to not be facing a firing squad or a noose. Yeah, Martin Elling made 2 million in political donations over the years: https://www.businessinsider.com/mckinsey-company-oxycontin-d... > During the past two decades, Elling has spread nearly $2 million among dozens of federal-level political committees, almost all Democr…

Until we get money out of politics, we’re fucked.

Re: McKinsey and Company to pay $650M for role in opioid crisis

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Post by oefrha »

hooli_gan wrote: post #127
davidw wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How do companies like McKinsey get away with this? Money. Any other questions?

Why doesnt money work for Kim Dotcom?

Kim Dotcom’s enemies (the entire Hollywood, among others) are more deep pocketed than him. Purdue Pharma and McKinsey’s enemies are nobodies.
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