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Re: A new law in Sweden lets police seize unexplained luxury goods

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Post by eesmith » Mon, Dec 16, 2024, 9:10 AM UTC

LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #140

eesmith wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we have different ideas of what it means to leave Christianity behind. The Church of Sweden was the state church until 2000. I think the monarch is still required to be Lutheran. The Evangelical-Lutheran Church in Denmark is the state church of Denmark. The King of Norway was the head of the Church of Norway until 2012, and "separation ... remains incomplete" quoting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway . Spa…

None of these threaten you with death if you do want to leave them, or won't even join. This is the essence of secularism, take it, or leave it, we don't really care that much. That is not the case in all these Goatfuckistans. It may have been the case in Turkiye for a time, in theory, but not so much anymore (in practice) with Muslimbrotherhood Erdolf.

Your comment seems to have nothing to do with the statement "It took Europe a century to leave Christianity behind."

Instead, you seem to be using it as a stepping stone for your own grievances and vile bigotry.

Re: A new law in Sweden lets police seize unexplained luxury goods

#142

Post by LargoLasskhyfv » Mon, Dec 16, 2024, 3:43 PM UTC

eesmith wrote: post #141

LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of these threaten you with death if you do want to leave them, or won't even join. This is the essence of secularism, take it, or leave it, we don't really care that much. That is not the case in all these Goatfuckistans. It may have been the case in Turkiye for a time, in theory, but not so much anymore (in practice) with Muslimbrotherhood Erdolf.

Your comment seems to have nothing to do with the statement "It took Europe a century to leave Christianity behind." Instead, you seem to be using it as a stepping stone for your own grievances and vile bigotry.

I've been trying to show you that states having an official church of state, or religion doesn't exclude the concept of 'secularism', if that is mainly to be understood as the possibility to live ones life free of that, without too much trouble.

The thing is in most islamic states that's not a given. Especially abandoning Islam itself.

That's an absolute NO-GO in most of them, because the 'noble' Quran forbids it, by penalty of death. Even if some of these states don't employ this literally, they do nothing to reign in their fanatics, harassing the heretics, because shrug, it's their own fault.

Do you know people who did this, abandoning Islam, and how they have to live, even far abroad, because of that?

You may point to Dubai, but I think it's a big sham, mostly attracting 'soldiers of fortune', to make it look good.

What is vile here is the 'nobleness' of the Quran, and how it is used to justify the 'viralness' of it. It's a thing favouring the development of behavior equal to rabies.

I don't like rabies.

Why do you?

Re: A new law in Sweden lets police seize unexplained luxury goods

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Post by eesmith » Mon, Dec 16, 2024, 6:05 PM UTC

LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #142

eesmith wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comment seems to have nothing to do with the statement "It took Europe a century to leave Christianity behind." Instead, you seem to be using it as a stepping stone for your own grievances and vile bigotry.

I've been trying to show you that states having an official church of state, or religion doesn't exclude the concept of 'secularism', if that is mainly to be understood as the possibility to live ones life free of that, without too much trouble. The thing is in most islamic states that's not a given. Especially abandoning Islam itself. That's an absolute NO-GO in most of them, because the 'noble' Quran forbids it, by…

And I'm calling you out for your overt bigotry, and pointing out that what you want to talk about has nothing to do with the topic.

I am well aware of the issues in theocratic rule, in multiple Abrahamic branches, and in non-Abrahamic religions.

That doesn't at all explain what "leave Christianity behind" is supposed to mean. When did Europe start that process?

Re: A new law in Sweden lets police seize unexplained luxury goods

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Post by LargoLasskhyfv » Mon, Dec 16, 2024, 7:16 PM UTC

eesmith wrote: post #143

LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been trying to show you that states having an official church of state, or religion doesn't exclude the concept of 'secularism', if that is mainly to be understood as the possibility to live ones life free of that, without too much trouble. The thing is in most islamic states that's not a given. Especially abandoning Islam itself. That's an absolute NO-GO in most of them, because the 'noble' Quran forbids it, by…

And I'm calling you out for your overt bigotry, and pointing out that what you want to talk about has nothing to do with the topic. I am well aware of the issues in theocratic rule, in multiple Abrahamic branches, and in non-Abrahamic religions. That doesn't at all explain what "leave Christianity behind" is supposed to mean. When did Europe start that process?

> When did Europe start that process?

Why is that so important to you? For me it's irrelevant, because I could have left that behind as soon as I got aware of that sillyness.

Which I actually didn't until a few years later, because of 'opportunity costs'.

Took me 2 hours ping-ponging between desks in different offices, because loss of taxes, which federal government, state, county, city, and church did not want.

But that was all. No further harassment.

As far as I know, this has been the case in most of Europe for several hundreds of years, in one way or another. I have some doubts regarding Portugal, Spain, Italy, Ireland and Poland in these matters and timing, but not much more.

In most if not all islamic countries someone would have put a Fatwa on me, like I was rabid, for that percieved heresy.

Just being able to say: "No, I don't want this! Leave me alone!" is how it should be, overriding any other concern.

If you don't get this and expect me to refute every single point of your pedantry into all eternity, you're riding a dead horse as in the german word "Paragraphenreiter".

( https://dict.leo.org/german-english/Paragraphenreiter )

I won't do that.

I don't care.

I won't even agree to disagree, as politeness would dictate.

There is no politeness in this for me, just zero tolerance.