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Report: Facebook Monitors Your Chats for Criminal Activity

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Re: Report: Facebook Monitors Your Chats for Criminal Activity

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I find this fascinating from a legal/political perspective.

Facebook is essentially using the same techniques to monitor private communications as the NSA supposedly does. This means Facebook has the power to report, for example, selected messages but not others. (I'm not saying they do, of course, just that they could be selective or discriminatory that way.)

The fact is that Facebook has taken upon itself a role similar to that of the police, but without any democratic oversight.

This is different from a bar owner overhearing a conversation about a crime and calling the police, because he wasn't specifically monitoring every single word said by every bar patron. But Facebook is casting a wide net by analyzing every conversation that happens.

Questions: should Facebook be permitted to do this? Should we ask for laws preventing companies from "eavesdropping" on their users' communications with the intent of detecting and reporting criminal behavior? Should this be the role of the democratically-elected government instead? Should sites be required to turn user communication over to the government for such analysis?

It's a fascinating area of law/politics with so much room for future development, and gets down to the heart of what values a society has.

Re: Report: Facebook Monitors Your Chats for Criminal Activity

#142

I'm not a criminal, I am a a pretty mundane guy actually, but of course we live in a society that every single one of us breaks some small law every day. Which is why I stopped using Facebook. I also stopped using Twitter to tweet. I still use it to follow news sources, I just don't actively tweet. I did that after the NYPD won a court case to see all the private messages you send on Twitter. I also don't comment muc…

Not only small laws, in the eyes of the feds. I highly recommend reading Harvey Silverglate's (veteran of the EFF, ACLU and the FIRE) book "Three Felonies a Day: How the Feds Target the Innocent." He discusses the issues of vagueness in federal felony statutes. Think about it this way, the efforts to convict Jeff Skilling (yes, of Enron) of "Honest Services Fraud" would make reading HN from work a federal felony. Not…

>The internet is for marketing yourself, not expressing yourself.

I'm just old enough to remember when the exact opposite was trued. Terribly saddening to see how that's changed.

Re: Report: Facebook Monitors Your Chats for Criminal Activity

#143
In the post-9/11 era this is de rigueur and at some level socially sanctioned in the name of keeping us safe from terrorists and social deviants. And I don't think you can argue credibly against these operations w/o first interrogating the various pretexts that have set the stage for them: Oklahoma City, 9/11, 7/7, 3/11 etc.

Re: Report: Facebook Monitors Your Chats for Criminal Activity

#144

It's been clear in my mind for some time now that Facebook is desperately doing anything possible to stay plugged into our internet lives. Their attempted take-over of email, which will probably lead to some success, only reinforces this. I think they see the writing on the wall -- that newer services will take over older ones -- and are doing anything they can to stay top dog. What we need is an abstraction layer on…

Stop using Facebook. Done. No more hands at your throat.

during the finals of the european foosball tournament german legislation passed a law that allows the registration bureaus to sell your data to third parties. how long before they sell our biometric ready passport picture to fb along with our current address, birthday and other data? even opt out does not work when the third party already has partial data.

Re: Report: Facebook Monitors Your Chats for Criminal Activity

#145

It's been clear in my mind for some time now that Facebook is desperately doing anything possible to stay plugged into our internet lives. Their attempted take-over of email, which will probably lead to some success, only reinforces this. I think they see the writing on the wall -- that newer services will take over older ones -- and are doing anything they can to stay top dog. What we need is an abstraction layer on…

Wrote this some time ago: --- It started innocently enough. Everyone is on it. Everyone. In the more than 20 years since it was founded - and now - daily life just could not be managed without it. Sure, it started innocently enough. Connect with your friends, post your pics, keep up with the fam. Yeah, that was then. It wasn't too long before they started adding features. Adding value they called it. Extending your c…

Great read.

Diaspora has the right idea. The danger of Facebook is that it is a monolith. If you can't see that Facebook is big brother, then your eyes are not open. It is literally that. By decentralizing our social networks, making everything opt-in, and controlled by small, independent, groups of people, we can effectively mitigate the corruption that is inevitable with such a monolithic and opaque service like Facebook.

Re: Report: Facebook Monitors Your Chats for Criminal Activity

#146

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Stop using Facebook. Done. No more hands at your throat.

during the finals of the european foosball tournament german legislation passed a law that allows the registration bureaus to sell your data to third parties. how long before they sell our biometric ready passport picture to fb along with our current address, birthday and other data? even opt out does not work when the third party already has partial data.

If the government is selling your personal data then Facebook is the least of your worries.

Re: Report: Facebook Monitors Your Chats for Criminal Activity

#147

Does anyone know a site where all of the scary things (civil rights and privacy violations) that are going on have been aggregated? I sometimes get people asking why I’m not on Facebook. It would be nice to have a place to point people to about why because it’s quite difficult to explain normally.

http://consumerist.com/2009/02/facebooks-new-terms-of-servic...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405270230477280457555...

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/04/facebook-timeline

http://techcrunch.com/2009/12/09/facebook-privacy/

http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/media-lab/social-media/14...

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2008/05/canadian-gro...

http://www.pcworld.com/article/140182/facebooks_beacon_more_...

http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/05/facebook-rogue/

http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/facebooks_zuckerberg_sa...

http://www.technologyreview.com/featured-story/428150/what-f...

Re: Report: Facebook Monitors Your Chats for Criminal Activity

#148

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It's the textbook definition of ridiculous. The entire argument you just made is one big collection of fallacies. I'm openly and viscerally critical of the government, politicians, etc etc etc on many social media outlets, phone calls, emails, other communications yet I have not been impacted in any way. I have not had any of my rights restricted, abridged, etc. So either I'm the luckiest guy in the "police state", o…

No it's not a police-state where they are actively targeting dissidents. It's a TSA-state where there is a massive over-reaction to bureaucratic automated scanning of communications. Post some SMS/Tweet/facebook update with a quote that sounds to an automated script like a terrorist threat. (eg a line from Fightclub or a Clash lyric) and watch the reaction. Even if the police bursting down your door manage to not acc…

So some automated system somewhere screws up on one person out of roughly 300 million, (approx 0.000000319% for those keeping score), and this justifies a flight from the country.

Allow me to be blunt. Your concerns are overstated.

Re: Report: Facebook Monitors Your Chats for Criminal Activity

#149

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>but of course we live in a society that every single one of us breaks some small law every day. I never really understood this line. I can say with pretty much 100% certainty that I have broken no laws, no matter how small, at any time within the past week. Traffic, what have you. It wasn't difficult either. You sacrifice a tiny bit of convenience, but honestly? It's worth it to have a clean conscience.

That operating system you are using violates 27 of my company's patents, but I'm not telling you which ones. Reading that book outloud to your children violates the T&C You do calculate and pay local sales tax on anything you order from out of state?

>That operating system you are using violates 27 of my company's patents, but I'm not telling you which ones.

Company's problem, not mine.

>Reading that book outloud to your children violates the T&C

Just because you put it in a contract doesn't make it legally enforceable.

>You do calculate and pay local sales tax on anything you order from out of state?

As a matter of fact...

Re: Report: Facebook Monitors Your Chats for Criminal Activity

#150
post #139

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>but of course we live in a society that every single one of us breaks some small law every day. I never really understood this line. I can say with pretty much 100% certainty that I have broken no laws, no matter how small, at any time within the past week. Traffic, what have you. It wasn't difficult either. You sacrifice a tiny bit of convenience, but honestly? It's worth it to have a clean conscience.

> I can say with pretty much 100% certainty that I have broken no laws, no matter how small, at any time within the past week. I can say with pretty much 100% certainty that you're wrong (at least if you're in the US). I'm not saying that you're lying, let alone that you're intentionally doing wrong. It's just that the web of law reaches everywhere and it's almost impossible to not trip over it. IMHO most of these la…

>It's just that the web of law reaches everywhere and it's almost impossible to not trip over it.

The contrarian view would be that most people don't care if they trip over it.

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