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Re: Engineering Sleep

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Post by cortesoft »

maleldil wrote: post #138
mettamage wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being able to just sleep 10 hours every day seems like an unfair advantage.

Why would it be an advantage? Aren't you "losing time"? I need 10 hours every day, so even if I go to bed at 10pm, I'd wake up at 8am, which is "late" for most people. I'd love to be able to wake up at 6am, but just can't. It doesn't feel like an advantage.

> I'd love to be able to wake up at 6am, but just can't.

What does "just can't" mean, exactly? Just curious, because I felt that way, too, until I had a newborn and was forced to wake up with less sleep and discovered it was physically possible. Still felt awful all day, but it was possible.

Re: Engineering Sleep

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Post by maleldil »

cortesoft wrote: post #141
maleldil wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would it be an advantage? Aren't you "losing time"? I need 10 hours every day, so even if I go to bed at 10pm, I'd wake up at 8am, which is "late" for most people. I'd love to be able to wake up at 6am, but just can't. It doesn't feel like an advantage.

> I'd love to be able to wake up at 6am, but just can't. What does "just can't" mean, exactly? Just curious, because I felt that way, too, until I had a newborn and was forced to wake up with less sleep and discovered it was physically possible. Still felt awful all day, but it was possible.

I meant that I can't sleep 8 hours and feel rested. If I'm forced to sleep less than I need, I'd be sleepy and tired all day. Taking a nap helps but isn't always possible, and is even less time efficient.

Re: Engineering Sleep

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Post by iancmceachern »

klysm wrote: post #133
iancmceachern wrote: post #130

The best advice I ever received, and will give again. It has really served me well. In the words of John Lennon, let it be. Sleep when you're tired, work and play when you're not. The constrination and worrying about it, how much time you have for what, etc. is the single biggest driver for the stress and loss of sleep. Let go of that, let if flow, it will.

Doesn’t work for me, my natural cycle would have me not aligned with the sun and the rest of the world operates aligned with the sun

You are not getting what I'm laying down.

I'm not saying this at all.

Have an alarm clock, have a schedule. But don't stress about it or "optimize" it. Just do it.

Re: Engineering Sleep

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

stared wrote: post #44

> Familial Natural Short Sleep (FNSS), a benign mutation that allows them to sleep 1-2 hours less than the recommended 7-9 hours, without experiencing the negative effects of sleep deprivation. Sleep deprivation is one concern, but there’s a more subtle impact on cognitive functions (working memory, creativity, deep focus), overall health (particularly the endocrine and immune systems), and long-term health outcomes…

I remember reading that Thatcher used to nap regularly throughout the day. She probably got more sleep than was stated at the time.

Re: Engineering Sleep

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Post by warrentr »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #144
stared wrote: post #44

> Familial Natural Short Sleep (FNSS), a benign mutation that allows them to sleep 1-2 hours less than the recommended 7-9 hours, without experiencing the negative effects of sleep deprivation. Sleep deprivation is one concern, but there’s a more subtle impact on cognitive functions (working memory, creativity, deep focus), overall health (particularly the endocrine and immune systems), and long-term health outcomes…

I remember reading that Thatcher used to nap regularly throughout the day. She probably got more sleep than was stated at the time.

Same with Churchill. He would arrange for his afternoon nap and bath even when visiting other countries

Re: Engineering Sleep

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Post by hackable_sand »

iancmceachern wrote: post #143
klysm wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn’t work for me, my natural cycle would have me not aligned with the sun and the rest of the world operates aligned with the sun

You are not getting what I'm laying down. I'm not saying this at all. Have an alarm clock, have a schedule. But don't stress about it or "optimize" it. Just do it.

I get what you are saying too, but it is privileged to assume people can "just" unbind their natural cycle.

It's like telling someone who is lactose intolerant to "just" eat their cereal with milk.

Re: Engineering Sleep

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Post by the_pwner224 »

pedalpete wrote: post #114

I work in the sleep space, particularly enhancing slow-wave sleep - the synchronous firing of neurons which define deep sleep, the most restorative and vital component of sleep. Only focusing on the amount of time asleep is a significantly limited viewpoint, but I believe this will change in the coming years as we gather more knowledge of sleep and access to EEG data about our brain activity during sleep increases. O…

Any idea what pricing will be like once this is released for sale?

Re: Engineering Sleep

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Post by anewcolor »

iancmceachern wrote: post #130

The best advice I ever received, and will give again. It has really served me well. In the words of John Lennon, let it be. Sleep when you're tired, work and play when you're not. The constrination and worrying about it, how much time you have for what, etc. is the single biggest driver for the stress and loss of sleep. Let go of that, let if flow, it will.

this is the correct answer for sleep. learning this has been more effective than any medicine that currently exists. if you're reading this and think this approach doesn't apply to you - it does. and the great thing is that it fixes much more than sleep.

Re: Engineering Sleep

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Post by iancmceachern »

hackable_sand wrote: post #146
iancmceachern wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are not getting what I'm laying down. I'm not saying this at all. Have an alarm clock, have a schedule. But don't stress about it or "optimize" it. Just do it.

I get what you are saying too, but it is privileged to assume people can "just" unbind their natural cycle. It's like telling someone who is lactose intolerant to "just" eat their cereal with milk.

I'm not saying anything about your schedule. You do you.

What I am saying is adding another layer of stress and yet another thing to optimize on top of all that does nothing but make it worse.

In terms of the analogy you gave: I'm not saying drink milk, I'm saying stop worrying about it and drink oat milk. Spend that energy elsewhere in your life in things that are more easily effected by your efforts.

Re: Engineering Sleep

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Post by vacuity »

joshdavham wrote: post #139

> What if they could keep sleeping less, but with no consequences? This is a super interesting question! I think one ironic possibility is that people would still sleep deprive themselves, but with even fewer hours of sleep.

Absolutely they would. It's soooo easy to lose sleep, and unfortunately getting it back isn't really a thing, not unless you want to use up more time. I guess we need to keep reducing the need for sleep until it's short enough it can be conveniently done anywhere, anytime!
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