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Australia: Kids under 16 to be banned from social media after Senate passes laws

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Re: Australia: Kids under 16 to be banned from social media after Senate passes laws

#141
Like the spirit, dislike the execution.

Passing legislation to “protect the kids” is politically easy. Bans are simple. Much more effective, IMO, would be to legislate the way social networks behave. Stop their most addictive patterns. Adults are just as susceptible as kids in my experience. If there needs to be anything kid specific, perhaps a block on using the service during school hours, or only for X hours a day.

Re: Australia: Kids under 16 to be banned from social media after Senate passes laws

#142
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I'd guess that some games should be banned too but not everything. Something like Street Fighter is widely different from Roblox for example. The problem with a badly written law is how can you decide which is which?

> I'd guess that some games should be banned too but not everything. Something like Street Fighter is widely different from Roblox for example. Which one do you want banned?

I picked street fighter because you don't interact with your opponent other than fight him (I haven't played the last game though, maybe that's changed).

Re: Australia: Kids under 16 to be banned from social media after Senate passes laws

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What do you mean with MAPs? Sorry, haven't seen the acronym before.

Pedophiles. I had no idea "MAP" had a foothold anywhere but their own communities.

Re: Australia: Kids under 16 to be banned from social media after Senate passes laws

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If you’re tempted to think “this isn’t worth it, too hard to enforce without affecting something else”… read “The Anxious Generation” by Jonathan Haidt. There is very real, irreparable harm being done to young people, and it merits trying to make it right, not just surrendering to it. Surely the problem of verifying a property of someone (the Boolean of “is over X age”) without sharing further details, is a surmounta…

The Anxious Generation is poorly researched pop science book that people believe to be true because it feels intuitively right to them.

Re: Australia: Kids under 16 to be banned from social media after Senate passes laws

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post #81

My thoughts immediately go to all the queer kids in rural areas who stand to be cut off from the only support networks they have.

Any and all kids in rural areas. Experience deprivation is a very real thing. I grew up in a desolate rural area, circa the 1980s and 1990s. The Internet - WebChatBroadcasting, ICQ, IRC, etc - was like a gift from the gods in the early 1990s. Cutting off young teens from access to the world via 'social media,' is a human rights violation.

> Cutting off young teens from access to the world via 'social media,' is a human rights violation.

Is that more or less of a human rights violation than preventing children from buying alcohol, preventing them from buying cigarettes, preventing them from buying pornography, preventing them from voting, preventing them from working full time, preventing them from entering into contracts, or preventing them from driving an automobile?

Re: Australia: Kids under 16 to be banned from social media after Senate passes laws

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post #81

My thoughts immediately go to all the queer kids in rural areas who stand to be cut off from the only support networks they have.

Any and all kids in rural areas. Experience deprivation is a very real thing. I grew up in a desolate rural area, circa the 1980s and 1990s. The Internet - WebChatBroadcasting, ICQ, IRC, etc - was like a gift from the gods in the early 1990s. Cutting off young teens from access to the world via 'social media,' is a human rights violation.

I'd say human rights violation is a bit of a stretch - the negative impact of social media use on an adolescent's psychological well-being is well documented - so possibly even the exact opposite.

Re: Australia: Kids under 16 to be banned from social media after Senate passes laws

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Nothing unstoppable about it. It’s about as straightforward and controlling access to tobacco or alcohol.

Or marijuana or cocaine. It’s super easy for the government to deny access to things people want by fiat, as evidenced by the fact that nobody does cocaine anymore.

Sadly I can confirm that people still do cocaine

Re: Australia: Kids under 16 to be banned from social media after Senate passes laws

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post #20

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https://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/download/legislation/bi... (explanatory memorandum here: https://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/download/legislation/em... ) And the amendment to the first reading which was agreed to today which has the bits about ID verification being disallowed: https://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/download/legislation/am... (supplementary explanatory memorandum here: https://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/…

Not disallowed, just they also have to offer an alternative. Question is why hasn't Australia created a Digital ID system that can prove you're >= 16 years old without giving away other info?

In the spirit of "Falsehoods programmers believe in"[1] for human ages:

* Not all people know their age.[2]

* Even if people do know their age they may not have any means to prove their age.[2]

* Even if people know their age, they may know their age only in a calendar system which is ambiguous or with a margin of error.[3]

* Even if people have documentation proving their age, the documentation may provide an approximate age or use a calendar system which is ambiguous or with a margin of error.[3]

* Even if people have documentation proving their age, they may know it to be incorrect.

* People may have multiple documents each nominating a different age.

* People may be reissued with new documents changing their recognised age.

* Even if the government tries to guess someone's unknown age, it's an inexact science and could be revised later.

[1] https://github.com/kdeldycke/awesome-falsehood

[2] https://www.racgp.org.au/getattachment/fe71891a-aafe-453f-a3...

[3] Example calendar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_calendar

Re: Australia: Kids under 16 to be banned from social media after Senate passes laws

#149

I'm torn here because I think there is very real harm being done with social media not just to kids but to adults as well but you should look at anything being "to protect the children" with extreme prejudice as it is likely just a power grab and way to reduce privacy. The saying "never let a good tragedy go to waste" comes to mind here.

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"Nothing" is often preferable to enabling abuses of power.

Re: Australia: Kids under 16 to be banned from social media after Senate passes laws

#150
post #96

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You realize HN here is social media, too?

And HN even recognizes it can be addictive to some. See the "noprocrast" setting on your user settings page.

Yes? So ban it all, just like drugs?
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