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Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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> Well this touched a nerve. It's just a little funny you think California is unique in this regard. Pretty much all of the US is extremely underdeveloped when it comes to public transportation. Hillbillies in the boonies have to drive a lot too.

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I never understood how in America, a DUI seems to be (from films etc) a relatively minor issue. In the UK you get a prison sentence, even if you didn't cause any harm (eg we're spot-tested).

I mean, from films etc, us Yanks would think everyone in the UK is piss arse drunk 24/7, sounds like a chimney sweep waiting for Mary Poppins, sends their kids to magic schools, and all live in castles wearing period clothing, all while their gov't watches everything they do from CCTV.

However, most of us understand that films etc are made up stories told for entertainment where if we based our expectations of people solely on that information we'd be grossly mistaken.

There are plenty of people that have their lives severely tilted if not turned upside down from a single DUI. There are also people of means that get off with a much less interruption to their day. I'm guessing it is the same on your side of the pond as well.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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The linked study is better: https://www.iseecars.com/most-dangerous-cars-study#v=2024

> “Most of these vehicles received excellent safety ratings, performing well in crash tests at the IIHS and NHTSA, so it’s not a vehicle design issue,” said Brauer. “The models on this list likely reflect a combination of driver behavior and driving conditions, leading to increased crashes and fatalities.”

Quoting what's easily the most important passage in that study.

The two Teslas on the list are the Model Y, right beneath the Porsche 911, and the Model S, right beneath the... Toyota Prius.

So yeah. No surprises here. It's a study where the lesson should be "a car is as dangerous as its driver" and everyone is going to read it as "Teslas are deathtraps". What else is new.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Actually that would be Texas. Texas has more road fatalities than California. This is _not_ per capita, but in total, which is an interesting statistical point in and of itself. The data is really easy to get. I wish more people would avail themselves of it.

Huh? I agree that there are way too many DUI deaths everywhere. The thing I am mocking is this idea that "MY group DOESN'T have these problems and YOUR group DOES." In one case, the group is Tesla owners; another case, the group was, I guess, trees on roads; another was people who drink and drive - a typical HN reader, I am confident, believes that he does not belong to that group. And yet. Perhaps there is a group that the typical HN reader belongs to that does indeed drink and drive.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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I'd love to see some sort of multiple regression or ANOVA on this, instead of singling out a single variable. Is car brand really the best independent predictor? Or is it specific design decisions you tend to see in certain brands? (Like, say, maximizing driver distraction by consolidating a bunch of essential controls and information displays into a touchscreen display that's really difficult to operate when it's su…

I was thinking for my next fridge to just buy a plain cheap one and then buy a cheap countertop ice cube maker. Since that’s the thing that always breaks on the fridges. And it adds like $500 to the price.

Mine is French door without a front ice maker/water, and I love it. Way more room in the fridge too. Just open the bottom to get ice.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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VW diesel-gate How many of the independents caught that?

Interestingly, it was a study commissioned by a non-profit, and performed by a university: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal

oh, great, so none.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Seems flawed. Tesla Model Y was the best selling model worldwide for 2023. (I think #3 if limited to US.) The study only covers 2017-2022, but we can infer that for the entire Brand, Teslas sold quite well over at least that latter part of that period. Now if there are more Teslas on the road vs other vehicles (note they excluded car model years earlier than 2017, another fatal (heh) flaw in the study), it makes sens…

It’s on a “per billion miles driven” basis so it is normalized.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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I thoroughyl expect the Deparment of Government Efficiency to recommend U.S. Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS) be shut down to save previous taxpayer dollars.

Am I the only one that is not excited about the next four years being constant banter of this nature? I loathe it. Nothing personal against your comment but the new administration hasn't even gone into office and I cannot get away from this.

They are like this literally any time a Republican is in the White House. They were like this when Dubya was President too, even though today they act like he's some sort of elder statesman just because he hates Trump.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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I remember some car collision data that showed that men were more likely to get into any collision and women were more likely to get into a fatal collision. A comment I read about the study suggested the conclusion that men take more risks while women take bigger risks. It's interesting to think in that context about this. Could Tesla drivers be taking bigger risks because they think the car's software will save them…

> A comment I read about the study suggested the conclusion that men take more risks while women take bigger risks. Or women's weaker musculoskeletal systems provide less protection against blunt force trauma?

Or, like medicine and a whole variety of other fields, “male” is assumed default and anyone who isn’t the default has worse outcomes.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/27/business/car-safety-women...

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