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Zed with SSH Remoting and Orbstack is pretty much my dream setup for programming on a Mac. I can now spin up a Linux machine in Orbstack[0] in a few seconds and then SSH into it from Zed for a fast Linux development environment with a fast macOS native editor. It feels a bit like the macOS version of WSL and VSCode. Just a whole lot nicer (subjective of course)! A couple of years ago I was inspired by what Mitchell H…
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For a VC-backed company, this will never ever generate enough revenue growth. So, the real answer is: "If all goes well, we will keep raising VC money and get acquired and shutdown / butchered in 5-10 years". Like Bluesky, this monetization plan they present is just something to calm down the haters and sceptics. But if you think for two seconds, it does not make sense.
It might happen the way you describe, or, if they get more popular, then may try to think harder and offer more paid options. Now they're in a growth stage - they need to convince the largest possible number of developers they should switch from VS Code, and that is already a difficult task.
And how would it work otherwise? You can't perpetually offer a product for free (in all senses of the word) AND satisfy exponential ROI expectations at the same time.
If this is what's going on here, I'm worried what the "monetization" phase will entail.
Something about the UI is just... off. I don't know what it is exactly, but it feels like one of those "web page trying to mimic a desktop environment" demos that were all the rage 15-20 years ago.
It's bizarre to think that IntelliJ, which is a JVM app, feels way more 'native' on macOS than Zed.
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> Vscode has strings attached too If software being FLOSS is in any way an important value of yours, the difference between Zed and Visual Studio Code is night and day: Zed's GPL: https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/blob/main/LICENSE-GPL MS Visual Studio Code's license: https://code.visualstudio.com/license I believe this alone shows much more good will towards developers and much less strings attached.
For what it's worth; Visual Studio Code and VSCode are not the same. VSCode is MIT licensed: https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/blob/main/LICENSE.txt From vscodium.com: Microsoft’s vscode source code is open source (MIT-licensed), but the product available for download (Visual Studio Code) is licensed under this not-FLOSS license and contains telemetry/tracking. According to this comment from a Visual Studio Code ma…
for this reason, the non-MS-built VS Code isn't equivalent to theirs, regardless of the license of the editor itself.
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> Vscode has strings attached too If software being FLOSS is in any way an important value of yours, the difference between Zed and Visual Studio Code is night and day: Zed's GPL: https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/blob/main/LICENSE-GPL MS Visual Studio Code's license: https://code.visualstudio.com/license I believe this alone shows much more good will towards developers and much less strings attached.
https://zed.dev/terms has the Zed Editor use license. That’s different from the Zed source code license.
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It might happen the way you describe, or, if they get more popular, then may try to think harder and offer more paid options. Now they're in a growth stage - they need to convince the largest possible number of developers they should switch from VS Code, and that is already a difficult task.
I know, this is the standard VC playbook: First growth at all costs to get everyone into the ecosystem, then pull up the net and monetize. The latter phase is usually when all the subscriptions, value-add nag screens, data sharing agreements and other enshittification goodies pop up. And how would it work otherwise? You can't perpetually offer a product for free (in all senses of the word) AND satisfy exponential ROI…
They are so big they can monetize it using Copilot or not even monetize it properly, just to get good faith from Developers, Developers, Developers.
I like it.
Zed with SSH Remoting and Orbstack is pretty much my dream setup for programming on a Mac. I can now spin up a Linux machine in Orbstack[0] in a few seconds and then SSH into it from Zed for a fast Linux development environment with a fast macOS native editor. It feels a bit like the macOS version of WSL and VSCode. Just a whole lot nicer (subjective of course)! A couple of years ago I was inspired by what Mitchell H…
I understood it as him running Nixos/nix because it made having a reproducible development setup a breeze since it’s all just a config file.
How would his use of Nixos change as you imply with Zed/SSH?
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This seems pretty optimistic to me. I can't imagine any company I've worked for paying for those things. Especially because they're only going to be useful if everyone uses Zed which is unlikely.
Indeed seems very uncommon where I am, even the IntelliJ’s are more often pirated than paid for. From my perspective it is very weird to expect to beat MS (who produces two great IDE’s, not one) on their own game with this approach to dev. I’m not saying it’s impossible to have the most important features replicated, but, c’mon, this is software, it breaks as it builds and some things are not possible Overnight even…
This might hurt Zed.
https://blog.jetbrains.com/blog/2024/10/24/webstorm-and-ride...