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Disposable vapes to be banned in England and Wales

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Re: Disposable vapes to be banned in England and Wales

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I switched to vapes for a while and genuinely my lung health was worse than smoking. In the end it was Allen Carr’s book that got me off them, and it was surprisingly easy. The author died in 2006 so I wouldn’t even feel too bad about pirating it, I’m quite sure he wouldn’t mind.

Yeah at this point, nicotine pouches might be the best smoking alternative. But I'm seeing the same thing happen there. Zyns start at 3mg which is already higher than the usual 2mg for tobacco pouches. Off brands are going as high as 8mg+, and I imagine it'll keep rising as their consumers raise their tolerance. edit: This discussion is really bumming me out; quitting feels hopeless when we're preyed upon like this.

I was able to successfully use Psilocybin mushrooms as a shortcut to quit vaping, all I did was say out loud to myself that I was done using and when I woke up the next day I just didn’t have that deep need to use it anymore. I still had the thought from time to time, but instead of the next thought being “maybe just a little bit” driven by an immobile subconscious need, I was able to refuse myself with relatively little effort. So if you get too fed up, don’t discount the more “magic” solutions (neuroplasticity seems pretty darn powerful). That being said those types of solutions do produce more or less irreversible change, and that change can and does go in either direction.

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My pet theory is that nicotine itself isn't particularly addictive to adults. I think the combination of additives in cigs is what makes them so hard to quit. I have quit various forms of pure nicotine with no withdrawals over the years, and treat it a bit like caffeine -- a stimulant that I use for a few months at a time before cycling off. The only time I've _ever_ desperately craved a nicotine product was after 2-…

What if it wasn't the ethanol that caused so many horrible health problems in alcoholics, but rather all the nasty additives in the stuff they drank? Imagine how much adulteration goes on, especially with bargain basement liquors and beers. Surely, pure ethanol is not our lone enemy in this fight.

You’re right that it’s not ethanol alone. In a similar (semantic, not physiological) manner to the MAOI hypothesis for cigarettes shared in a sibling comment, the compound responsible for most of the negative health effects (not necessarily intoxication although it is involved IIRC) is acetaldehyde, the primary metabolite of ethanol.

As to additives, I’m sure certain ones contribute their own negative effects, sodium benzoate and tartrazine for example, but in that regard it’s the same situation as the food industry.

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UK disposables do still tend to be as high as they're allowed, while bottles of liquid come in various lower amounts of nicotine to choose from.

That may be, but the max strength in the US is 2.5x that of the UK.

Wow, even worse!

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That's simply amazing: we fight with disposable plastic straws but we had no problem with single use electronics and battery. Insane.

What are straws for anyway?

There are plenty of people with motor issues where a straw really does mean having the freedom to drink on your own. Also, in the US, ice is more popular to add to your drink and a straw means not getting blasted with a bunch of ice.

Re: Disposable vapes to be banned in England and Wales

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I think you're forgetting something called the CONSTITUTION which gives a number of rights that one doesn't have in the UK like -Freedom of expression (can't be arrested for social media posts, can't easily get sued into the ground for libel[0]) -Right to bear arms (technically legal for citizens to organize their own militant force, though often discouraged) -Right to remain silent (it is always advised to never tal…

As an American, I'm still often baffled by American Exceptionalism. Often people who say stuff like this have zero actual clue about how things are done in other countries. And it's laughable to call out the right to bear arms when just being suspected of having a weapon is enough to justify an execution by the police.

Especially considering the fifth amendment was specifically intended to allow for a militia to defend against the government, not to enable students to carry an automatic rifle into school—but here we are

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I dunno. The earth is pretty big, and vape batteries are tiny, and we keep finding substitutes. I'm all for reducing waste, but it seems unlikely we'll run out of metals in our lifetimes. Keep in mind, things keep getting more efficient, and rich nations are finally tending toward using LESS per capita. Sure, the poor nations might eventually become rich and the global population has not yet peeked, but there's no re…

> in our lifetimes Is the key here. We need to think beyond our lifetimes. We should be treating the earth like we're going to live on it for (tens or hundreds of) thousands of years, because I sure as shit hope we (meaning humans) are going to. Yes, reducing creation of cars would certainly have a much bigger impact, and should be done. But it's also a lot harder than dealing with vapes. Anyway, as far as I understa…

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Re: Disposable vapes to be banned in England and Wales

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N65DpT2nqEI The cells are generally just "push fit", maybe with some kapton tape or foam to give them a snug fit. As for taking the vapes apart, A pair of pliers and some brute force is typically all that is needed to get them apart. Cell shape is either cylindrical or rectangular, depends on the vapes shape really. You get the knack of remembering/guessing what the shape will be just…

Came here to mention Big Clive's salvaging. Haven't tried it myself yet - the feral youth around here tend to be more whippet oriented than vaping, sadly.

My town is more a "active nightlife" town, so while I do see a far number of Whippets cartridges (though, thankfully, a lot less recently), you mainly find more discarded disposable vapes on Saturday and Sunday mornings/afternoons then you will whipped cream cartridges.

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I've never vaped (/smoked/done drugs/etc I'm v boring) but can someone ELI5 why disposable vapes have been the preference? Don't you just buy the capsules and put them into your regarchable vape? Or if you want to get exotic e liquid. I would assume that's much cheaper than buying a whole device each time much must cost more $$/££.

Think they really got started after the FDA/ATF started to crack down on Juul, which gained significant popularity over previous designs by focusing on usability and convenience by using a capsule as you have mentioned. Since that point, Juul shrank significantly and Chinese disposable vapes came in to fill in the vacuum and effectively dodge most regulations.

That's the story at least in my head and in the US.

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If it’s banned for everyone, how would adults be able to buy them for children?

I was describing the current state. Children cannot currently buy vapes; adults can. However, it still ends up in the hands of children.

I don't see why that's relevant to the ban

Re: Disposable vapes to be banned in England and Wales

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N65DpT2nqEI The cells are generally just "push fit", maybe with some kapton tape or foam to give them a snug fit. As for taking the vapes apart, A pair of pliers and some brute force is typically all that is needed to get them apart. Cell shape is either cylindrical or rectangular, depends on the vapes shape really. You get the knack of remembering/guessing what the shape will be just…

Nice, thanks for the info! EDIT: those batteries look like they'd be very useful for some ESP32/PI2350 type projects.

Yeah they really will be, I need to find a vaper.
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