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Re: All political ads running on Google in the US

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Post by swatcoder »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #129
SllX wrote: post #103

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> there's the same-sex marriage prop (which I believe is purely symbolic and doesn't have an actual impact on same sex marriage in California) It removes an on-the-books clause that was rendered inoperable by a SCOTUS decision. I think it’s a step above symbolic since any future changes in SCOTUS jurisprudence reversing or partially reversing Obergefell (which I don’t think are at all likely with this court on this i…

I think prop 8 was previously nullified by Hollingsworth v. Perry? Not saying it'll never matter, but if OP has a finite amount of focus IMO it's better to spend it on laws that will have an immediate impact over ones that require multiple hypotheticals to come into play

> Finite amount of focus.

It revises one statement in the state constitution in a very straightforward way.

It takes an infintessimal amount of focus to decide if you're in favor of that change or not.

Whether the reason it's on this year's ballot is neurotic or strategic is on a level with whether you should buy 4 or 6 rolls of toilet paper next time you're at the store. You already know if you need toilet paper or not, so that difference is relatively inconsequential.

Re: All political ads running on Google in the US

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Post by fullshark »

outside1234 wrote: post #133
fakedang wrote: post #125

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5 people? Last time I was on X, nearly every Silicon Valley/tech billionaire was crooning from the rooftops for Trump. You could argue it's the native X bias, but these were all the famous billionaires and multimillionaires who are top names in the SV space. All rooting for a Trump win, perhaps anticipating a quick Vance presidency.

Entirely possible - I spend as little time as possible thinking about this and am just looking forward to our national nightmare of Trump being a plausible president candidate being over the week after next.

He's a plausible candidate and he's at worst a coin flip to win. Almost a 3-2 favorite based on betting markets.

https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/7456/Who-will-win-t...

Re: All political ads running on Google in the US

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Post by anigbrowl »

unclad5968 wrote: post #137
Biganon wrote: post #97

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Equal time on national television, by law. Like they do in France for example.

As in state sponsored television? No one is watching CSPAN to learn anything about candidates.

Yes, that's the problem. American media is a sewer which tends inexorably toward the lowest common denominator, with dismal effects on its polity.

Re: All political ads running on Google in the US

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Post by maxerickson »

fakedang wrote: post #138
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #127

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Population being split on the available options is the basis of democracy and is a feature not a bug. Otherwise we might as well just have a CCP style single party.

I'm sure we don't need to argue semantics here as you very well understand what I mean. The American public wasn't as divided as now. Heck, if Watergate were to have happened now, Nixon would have escaped scotch free - as Trump has. Joe Biden might even forever be remembered as the Neville Chamberlain of USA (even though Neville doesn't deserve his reputation while Biden absolutely does).

What analogy are you proposing with the Chamberlain thing?

Are you mad the US hasn't declared war on Russia and worried that it is going to have dire consequences for the US?

Re: All political ads running on Google in the US

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Post by anigbrowl »

mh- wrote: post #118
Mordisquitos wrote: post #113

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Then enforce equal slots per online platform and forbid targeting by demographic cohort.

I'm genuinely curious how this works. What constitutes a platform? Is TikTok a platform? Reddit? HN?

Why don't you make a proposal for what you think is the best approach?

Re: All political ads running on Google in the US

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Post by zamadatix »

fakedang wrote: post #125
outside1234 wrote: post #123

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This. Something like 5 people are almost entirely funding Trump's slump (hard to call this mess a campaign) towards the White House and for sure they are going to want pay back. This is what oligarchy looks like.

5 people? Last time I was on X, nearly every Silicon Valley/tech billionaire was crooning from the rooftops for Trump. You could argue it's the native X bias, but these were all the famous billionaires and multimillionaires who are top names in the SV space. All rooting for a Trump win, perhaps anticipating a quick Vance presidency.

A lot talk but only a ~half dozen actually bother to put together 100s of millions where their mouths are about it. I haven't looked this year but usually Bloomberg tops the chart on the blue side.

Re: All political ads running on Google in the US

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Post by netsharc »

rsynnott wrote: post #36
Macha wrote: post #11

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I'd expect the demographics of google ad viewers to be more or less "the internet at large, minus a few markets like China were Google is much less prevalent, and a few groups techy enough to disproportionately run adblockers"

You’d be amazed. A surprising number of people, particularly older people, do not use the internet as such all that much; they use Facebook, or Instagram, or Twitter, or YouTube.

At least YouTube is Google...

Heh, interesting, the lords of the Attention Economy is Zuck, Google and TikTok. And Musk, but he's busy burning his kingdom.

Re: All political ads running on Google in the US

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Post by anigbrowl »

kldx wrote: post #34
matsemann wrote: post #7

In Norway it's forbidden with political ads on TV . Reasoning being that live images can have a huge influence, while also possibly being inflammatory and dumb down the debate. But main reason mainly is that it would give those with enough money to afford these "expensive tv ads" a leg up. However, this law hasn't been updated in decades. So it's still only TV ads that's illegal. So it feels like a quite arbitrary re…

How are TV ads any different from MDG posters or the AP ads at bus stops? We allow the latter in Norway and they're not that much cheaper than TV ads.

Reasoning being that live images can have a huge influence

Re: All political ads running on Google in the US

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Post by triceratops »

GeneralMayhem wrote: post #130
Rebelgecko wrote: post #83

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IMO this year the ballot props are much more meaningful to the average person than usual. The perennial niche prosp about kidney dialysis aren't making a showing for what feels like the first time in a decade. There are some big proposed changes to how local bond measures work, rent control, and the criminal justice system, IMO those are the ones spending the most time researching and considering the consequences. As…

> same-sex marriage prop (which I believe is purely symbolic... Same-sex marriage is currently outlawed by the California constitution as a result of Prop 8 from 2008. That clause is void as a result of the Hollingsworth and Obergefell decisions, but there are multiple members of the Supreme Court who have explicitly said that they would like to overturn Obergefell, so it's a good idea to get ahead of the potential c…

Doesn't the Respect for Marriage Act [1] ensure they can't roll back same-sex marriage like they did abortion?

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respect_for_Marriage_Act

Re: All political ads running on Google in the US

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Post by triceratops »

sneak wrote: post #12
matsemann wrote: post #7

In Norway it's forbidden with political ads on TV . Reasoning being that live images can have a huge influence, while also possibly being inflammatory and dumb down the debate. But main reason mainly is that it would give those with enough money to afford these "expensive tv ads" a leg up. However, this law hasn't been updated in decades. So it's still only TV ads that's illegal. So it feels like a quite arbitrary re…

The population of all of Norway is substantially less than that of the New York, LA, Chicago, or Houston metro areas. The scale of these markets or the spending related thereto is not comparable at all.

Could any of these metro areas ban political ads on TV locally?
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