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Re: Accountability sinks

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Post by 627467 »

larsrc wrote: post #133

I've long thought that that is one of the main functions of corporations. There's a reason they're called limited liability. The fact that you can conjure up new companies at a whim makes it easy to shuffle responsibility into an obscure corner. This is a strong reason that corporations should not be considered people. People are long-lived entities with accountability and you can't just create or destroy them at wil…

I agree with the feeling, but State orgs are effectively eternal (think the various level of government) and still great at diffusing accountability to various scapegoats

Re: Accountability sinks

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Post by RandomLensman »

lmm wrote: post #122
rougka wrote: post #64

I remember experiencing this in one of the German airports/airlines and having that exact thought. It was this fully automated airport, where the checkin is self serviced and you only interact with computers. Eventually, when I inserted my boarding pass I had a printed piece of paper back that said that they had to change my seat from aisle to midseat I then tried to find someone to talk to the entire way, but comput…

At this point everyone needs to get in the habit of using small claims court. You can often do it online in a few minutes these days. Make a good faith effort to get your problem addressed, and record the fact that you've done so to use in your hearing if it gets that far. Then just file the claim. Generally they fold immediately, and this way you incentivize actual customer service in the only language they understa…

What claim would there have to be to file on the scenario outlined?

Re: Accountability sinks

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Post by clktmr »

rougka wrote: post #64

I remember experiencing this in one of the German airports/airlines and having that exact thought. It was this fully automated airport, where the checkin is self serviced and you only interact with computers. Eventually, when I inserted my boarding pass I had a printed piece of paper back that said that they had to change my seat from aisle to midseat I then tried to find someone to talk to the entire way, but comput…

I can provide another POV to that story. We checked in as a family of four, and we're assigned seats in four different rows, with a two and a four year old. Only when entering the plane we had the possibility address this to a human and we were assigned new seats.

So this might be the reason you had to change seats.

Re: Accountability sinks

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Post by RandomLensman »

bojan wrote: post #128
larodi wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s a sad experience and I would definitely try to chase them robots. Sadly even though German public transport fascinates with its ease of use and quality, though when it comes to human service you can find yourself in peculiar position. And particularly if you are not German and happen to be in one of those international cities there where Germans are fed up with visitor. You waive goodbye to your 50€ and keep a…

It's not that they don't want to have people, it's that there are no people. Germany, as most of other countries in Europe, has an aging population and the workforce is hard to find. So all these "easy" things that can get automated, do get automated, oftentimes indeed at the price of quality of service in exceptional situations.

The automations predate any demographic issues - mostly a (sticky) cost thing.

Re: Accountability sinks

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Post by unit149 »

In the 400 blows, Truffaut plays a schoolteacher whose disciplinary methods in the classroom only accentuate the rebelliousness of a boy. At home, this trickles down and he decides to run and drink milk. At the end, we find him on a beach and the film ends.

Enforcing copyright law through an honest projection of 35mm film footage is a philanthropic endeavour. Making sure that every member of the production team, even the gaffers and stage hands take part in the exclusivity of re-capitalisation efforts, like the Fox complaint, is purely, legalistic sleight of hand.

Re: Accountability sinks

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Post by rwmj »

atoav wrote: post #136
larsrc wrote: post #133

I've long thought that that is one of the main functions of corporations. There's a reason they're called limited liability. The fact that you can conjure up new companies at a whim makes it easy to shuffle responsibility into an obscure corner. This is a strong reason that corporations should not be considered people. People are long-lived entities with accountability and you can't just create or destroy them at wil…

The buck has to stop somewhere and a human has to be responsible for things.

Oh sweet summer child. Companies are frequently structured and created in multiple jurisdictions to obscure beneficial ownership, responsibility, profits and taxes.

Re: Accountability sinks

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Post by lmm »

RandomLensman wrote: post #142
lmm wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point everyone needs to get in the habit of using small claims court. You can often do it online in a few minutes these days. Make a good faith effort to get your problem addressed, and record the fact that you've done so to use in your hearing if it gets that far. Then just file the claim. Generally they fold immediately, and this way you incentivize actual customer service in the only language they understa…

What claim would there have to be to file on the scenario outlined?

Ah, I meant that post to be a reply to the ticket machine eating the 50 euro note.

Re: Accountability sinks

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Post by throwaway48476 »

jazzypants wrote: post #137
throwaway48476 wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Voting machines are hacked every year at DEFCONs voting village. They're wildly insecure and no one should trust them. Frankly, any claims of manipulation of voting machines are at worst plausible.

And, yet these companies won their lawsuits, and no wide scale voter fraud was ever found. So, your point is entirely irrelevant.

You're confusing terms here. Voter fraud is fraud by voter. This is not what we're talking about with the voting machine susceptibility.

Re: Accountability sinks

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Post by jhrmnn »

eloisius wrote: post #90
rougka wrote: post #64

I remember experiencing this in one of the German airports/airlines and having that exact thought. It was this fully automated airport, where the checkin is self serviced and you only interact with computers. Eventually, when I inserted my boarding pass I had a printed piece of paper back that said that they had to change my seat from aisle to midseat I then tried to find someone to talk to the entire way, but comput…

I had a similar experience in Germany about a year ago. Train stations are mostly self-service now. The ticket kiosk ate my €50 and promptly rebooted. It didn’t print a receipt or anything. The only human I could find was a security guard. He told me to call the number on a sticker on the machine. The person who answered couldn’t speak English. My €50 is out there somewhere but it would cost me more than that to trac…

> The person who answered couldn’t speak English.

It sounds like this was the main point of failure. I’m not sure it can be considered an error in the system. I’d consider the risk inherent in traveling in a country without knowing its language.

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