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Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by TheSkyHasEyes »

vundercind wrote: post #133
freedomben wrote: post #126

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If you've been on a MacBook since 2011 or 2012, it's definitely time to give modern Linux a try. It has come in enormously long way since then. I am not exaggerating when I say, I have a better out of the box experience with Fedora. Then I do with Mac OS. Mac OS certainly has a lot of features, and visually has a great deal of Polish, but it also increasingly has a lot of bugs.

I try every couple years. I tried KDE on Fedora last time (I hate gnome since 3) and could still crash various KDE apps with drag-n-drop operations—I’d trained myself never to use those outside narrow situations on Windows and Linux years ago because they usually broke things or did something stupid, but am now accustomed to them both working and doing something reasonable, so I spot those issues in a hurry when I us…

Give XFCE a chance.

> That was four or five years ago.

Linux moves way faster than commercial OS IMO.

Reconsider linux. Commercial OS isn't going to 'get better' for IT literate users. :/

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by thewebguyd »

kbolino wrote: post #108
binary132 wrote: post #102

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it’s just not that much better or worth it

It may not be worth it: the ridiculous upfront prices to get enough RAM and SSD space, and the lack of upgradeability of those two components, significantly undermine the value proposition of the Mac platform. But the laptops at least are definitely better quality. The touchpad, charger, screen, keyboard, case, speakers, etc. are all well above the Windows competition in terms of both build quality and durability. Th…

> Some of the PC makers do seem to have caught on and you can get something comparably specced and competitively priced if you look hard and carefully. But it will still have some deficiencies compared to the MacBook that you can't shop your way around.

This has kept me on Mac laptops as well. There's always some compromise made elsewhere, even on high end laptops. Usually it's the trackpad, or poor thermals making it unusable as a laptop or just super loud (comparing to the Apple Silicon line here, my intel MBPs were furnaces). Plus, if you want anything other than a 1080p screen you are pushing close to MBP prices anyway.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by talldayo »

diggan wrote: post #123
isodev wrote: post #99

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The beautiful hardware of the Mac is so wasted with recent versions of macOS.

It's funny how Apple went from leading in UX/UI and being average/below average on hardware, to the opposite. iOS/macOS truly is a cluster-fuck when it comes to UX that makes sense. Luckily we can run other OSes on Apple computer hardware, but not as lucky with Apple phone hardware...

My kingdom for an iPad that runs GNOME!

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by vundercind »

TheSkyHasEyes wrote: post #141
vundercind wrote: post #133

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I try every couple years. I tried KDE on Fedora last time (I hate gnome since 3) and could still crash various KDE apps with drag-n-drop operations—I’d trained myself never to use those outside narrow situations on Windows and Linux years ago because they usually broke things or did something stupid, but am now accustomed to them both working and doing something reasonable, so I spot those issues in a hurry when I us…

Give XFCE a chance. > That was four or five years ago. Linux moves way faster than commercial OS IMO. Reconsider linux. Commercial OS isn't going to 'get better' for IT literate users. :/

XFCE was my favorite back in my Gentoo days, after I started using laptop hardware fast enough that it wasn’t noticeably slower than my prior favorite, WindowMaker :-)

When I used early Ubuntus on desktop machines (back when Ubuntu wasn’t terrible—before the PulseAudio fiasco and the following series of bad decisions and failed maneuvers against Red Hat) I usually just stuck with the default of Gnome2. That era’s by far the closest I’ve seen Linux get to Just Working.

[edit] FWIW I do find Void with a very-light window manager pleasant to use, but I don’t want to have to self-serve every little feature these days, so it’s pleasant but impractical for my actual life. Nothing short of a full DE, so just KDE or Gnome, with a batteries-included distro, stands a chance of matching what I’m used to just being there and happening for me without my having to ask for it. Unfortunately, I strongly dislike both of those DEs for different reasons. :-/

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by justin66 »

vundercind wrote: post #140
justin66 wrote: post #131

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Power management.

Windows is still bad at this, too, incredibly. Was initially issued a Lenovo Win10 machine at my current job, decided to give it a shot because I hadn’t used Windows for work in a long time, might have gotten better. It was using 40% of its battery while “sleeping” over night, and even at full charge wouldn’t get me through a light work day on battery—not even close. Straight back to the battery-anxiety I hadn’t felt…

> Windows is still bad at this, too, incredibly.

I couldn't agree more. And yet, Linux manages to be worse, since the "at least I can just hibernate" backup plan doesn't even work properly.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by kstrauser »

gtvwill wrote: post #21
threeseed wrote: post #15

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Well pack it up boys, Linux on the desktop is finally ready.

Linux on desktop has been ready for years now, it absolutely shreds apple and microsofts offerings, ubuntu desktop is about as schmick as it gets regardless of your views of the parent company. Mac on the other hand is an absolute nightmare to administer for clients. Same with their phones. Printing from web browser on a Mac? Completely broken. Have to save everything to desktop and open it from there. It's an absolu…

It’s an extraordinary claim that Mac printing is broken. It’s one area where it’s vastly superior to any other OS I’ve frequently used (including Windows, all of the common BSDs, and more Linux distros than you’ve heard of).

With pretty much any printer brand sold at Office Max, Mac printing looks like:

1. Hit cmd-P.

2. Find the printer in the pop up window and click the Print button.

3. Walk over and get the paper.

The same’s true for AirPrint from iPhones and iPads. I don’t remember the last time I had trouble printing from any of those to any Brother or Canon or HP around any of the offices I’ve helped. That doesn’t count the time the previous admin had blocked mDNS on the router because he had a cargo cult theory of network security.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by isodev »

talldayo wrote: post #143
diggan wrote: post #123

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It's funny how Apple went from leading in UX/UI and being average/below average on hardware, to the opposite. iOS/macOS truly is a cluster-fuck when it comes to UX that makes sense. Luckily we can run other OSes on Apple computer hardware, but not as lucky with Apple phone hardware...

My kingdom for an iPad that runs GNOME!

Or KDE Plasma… they’ve been making amazing things with look and feel in the last couple of releases. Either way, that much customisation and user control on an iPad… practically unheard of.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by vundercind »

justin66 wrote: post #145
vundercind wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows is still bad at this, too, incredibly. Was initially issued a Lenovo Win10 machine at my current job, decided to give it a shot because I hadn’t used Windows for work in a long time, might have gotten better. It was using 40% of its battery while “sleeping” over night, and even at full charge wouldn’t get me through a light work day on battery—not even close. Straight back to the battery-anxiety I hadn’t felt…

> Windows is still bad at this, too, incredibly. I couldn't agree more. And yet, Linux manages to be worse, since the "at least I can just hibernate" backup plan doesn't even work properly.

The only time I’ve ever seen Linux disk hibernation actually work about 100% of the time was on an IBM Thinkpad I used to have, and only if I did some arcane magic with a specially-sized-and-designated partition in just the right partition order, because that triggered something in the hardware that let it handle things directly.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by baq »

vundercind wrote: post #105
hypeatei wrote: post #82

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> I've made it a practice to switch of the router while installing or updating macOS or ios. Why are you still using those OSes? That seems like a lot of work for something you paid for.

Because all operating systems are terrible but the rest are so incredibly bad that Apple’s are still by far the best, once you add up time saved by features and capabilities and subtract time lost to pain-in-the-ass brokenness. (Two decades on DOS/Windows home series and NT, at least for gaming and sometimes work, twelve years with Linux as my main desktop OS, started on Android for smartphones, before finally giving…

IME macOS is easily the most broken and user hostile from a professional developer perspective. Maybe I haven't been using it enough, only 2 years.

The hardware is amazing though and no other OS can predictably wake the laptop when opening the lid and not wake it when it's closed, which is kinda a deal breaker for a laptop, so I still use it. Not particularly excited about it, would prefer a Linux laptop if it could sleep reliably. (Seen pictures of a framework laptop with a kernel panic after wake, and I was seriously considering getting one.)

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by aunty_helen »

vundercind wrote: post #133
freedomben wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you've been on a MacBook since 2011 or 2012, it's definitely time to give modern Linux a try. It has come in enormously long way since then. I am not exaggerating when I say, I have a better out of the box experience with Fedora. Then I do with Mac OS. Mac OS certainly has a lot of features, and visually has a great deal of Polish, but it also increasingly has a lot of bugs.

I try every couple years. I tried KDE on Fedora last time (I hate gnome since 3) and could still crash various KDE apps with drag-n-drop operations—I’d trained myself never to use those outside narrow situations on Windows and Linux years ago because they usually broke things or did something stupid, but am now accustomed to them both working and doing something reasonable, so I spot those issues in a hurry when I us…

Hard in this camp too. The OS tinkering that is as requirement of Linux racks up a massive time investment. When you use your computer for work, that bill gets big quick and sometimes it's an inconvenience you just can't afford.

MacOS, for all it's faults, can be tamed with little snitch and a slower update cycle, and then you have a relatively solid system. There's still some things to hate, like when I take my airpods out if I accidentally click one of the buttons Apple Music opens (no one wants to use Apple Music, ever). But, that little frustraition pales in comparison to the build your own experience a poweruser in Linux faces on a weekly basis.

This randomly came front of mind last night when I thought, I can't remember the last time something broke on my laptop. It's been literal months since I've had anything weird or unwanted that I've _had_ to deal with. Contrast that to the last time I tried to daily Linux, about 2 years ago when I bought a framework and couldn't even log in due to trackpad issues, sleep / hibernate issues, screen resizing issues, issues issues issues.

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