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Germans decry influence of English as 'idiot's apostrophe' gets approval

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Re: Germans decry influence of English as 'idiot's apostrophe' gets approval

#141
While I personally dislike this for "aesthetic" reasons, I do recognise that languages change and that's fine. It used to be that very few people would read and write, but with the advent of the internet, text messaging, etc., written language is also evolving more "democratically", similar to spoken language. There are also technological forces at work: I've mostly given up on writing compound words the proper way on mobile phones, because it just doesn't work well with autocompletion, for example.

That said, I really dislike how "bureaucratic" German spelling rules are, including this recent addition. Instead of blanket allowing the use of an apostrophe for the genitive (at least for personal names), the new rule allows it only in very specific circumstances. I'm of the opinion that nobody should have to consult a complicated rulebook in order to write well (in fact, the best way is to just simply read a lot and then mimic what you read).

Then again, most people don't need to care about what is or isn't considered proper spelling. In theory it should matter for official documents etc., but that doesn't mean that those never contain errors (quite the contrary, in my experience).

Re: Germans decry influence of English as 'idiot's apostrophe' gets approval

#142
post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But did you know that there huge load of "datas" out there?

That one's a bit mean given that data does have a distinct plural, it just happens to be spelled the same because whoever came up with english didn't really grok the phonetic alphabet.

Datum is the singular, which is one point of data. When you group together a datum with another datum, they become data.

Re: Germans decry influence of English as 'idiot's apostrophe' gets approval

#143

Background: In German you would not add an " ' " when you want to express something belonging to something. You would simply add an "s" in most cases. Example: "Marias books are at home.", not "Maria's books are at home."

It is actually explained in the article, with mention to Barbaras Rhabarberbar.

Re: Germans decry influence of English as 'idiot's apostrophe' gets approval

#144

Having French as mother tongue, I always find fascinating when the French and German official bodies go postal about such a topic. It’s like looking some parents complaining of the retro-influence of some common bastard children. :P Now, there are languages for which Globish can be part of an existential threat, but German and French are nowhere close to this. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_endangered_lan…

But this is not even about language, it's about spelling. For some reason, people forget that these are entirely different things. We are currently communicating in a language where there's often times no relation between the written and spoken word at all.

Re: Germans decry influence of English as 'idiot's apostrophe' gets approval

#145
post #100

Reading this, I come away with the impression that European languages today are evolving due to the influence of "Vulgar English" (the lowest common denominator of English spoken by the most people worldwide), analogously to how Romance languages like Spanish and French evolved in the past due to the influence of "Vulgar Latin."[a] --- [a] https://www.britannica.com/topic/Romance-languages

Languages change. I'm always amused that we get upset by that, but it's going to keep happening.

Re: Germans decry influence of English as 'idiot's apostrophe' gets approval

#146
post #100

Reading this, I come away with the impression that European languages today are evolving due to the influence of "Vulgar English" (the lowest common denominator of English spoken by the most people worldwide), analogously to how Romance languages like Spanish and French evolved in the past due to the influence of "Vulgar Latin."[a] --- [a] https://www.britannica.com/topic/Romance-languages

You forgot the part when it was cool to speak French among higher classes, and thus it got spread into many European languages as well.

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post #123
post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I saw it in a Home Depot in the US once. It was father's day and there was a sign that read, "Dad's Love Tools". Of course they meant to say, "Dads Love Tools". I thought it was particularly funny and embarrassing for the store, but I couldn't get the clerk at the store to understand what was wrong.

Dad’s Love Tool strikes again

>Dad’s Love Tool strikes again

That's what she said!

Re: Germans decry influence of English as 'idiot's apostrophe' gets approval

#148
English had been so heavily influenced by European languages that it’s just a funny coincidence that we’re alive to see the opposite happening. It feels like half (or more) of Italian words have English cognates or they’re so close you could consider them a slant cognate.

Another thing is that what happened in the article is something that has occurred a lot in English too. I think a few years back they permitted “myriad of” just because it was so common a mistake. This happened even though myriad is supposed to be used exactly like the words “numerous” or “many” and shouldn’t be followed by an “of”. Still, despite having simple examples of similar words, like numerous, people just couldn’t stop saying “myriad of”.

I see it all the time now. I wouldn’t say I love the change, but I don’t get upset about it or correct people, since it’s technically perfectly alright now, even if it’s accepted for sort of a sad reason.

Re: Germans decry influence of English as 'idiot's apostrophe' gets approval

#149
Also, another common one I see more these days is "it's" where it should be "its".

If you can not substitute a usage of "it's" for "it has", "it was", or "it is", then you meant to say "its".

It is hard to even be angry about it, I think the language should be changed so that any instances of "its" -> "it's" to eliminate the exception.

Re: Germans decry influence of English as 'idiot's apostrophe' gets approval

#150
I approve this as it acknowledges the fact that language is not static. Next up, in my opinion, will be the _Deppenleerzeichen_, the idiot space, between two nouns. This space has rapidly gained in usage thanks to auto correct - it’s easier to use auto correct if you add a space after every noun.

Given how the apostrophe thing is received I expect no less than riots and burning tires in the streets once that one is officially allowed.

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