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Post by dijit »

vasco wrote: post #117
dijit wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed, I feel like there's an inherent nobility in putting effort into something. If I took the time to write a book and have it proof-read and edited and so on: perhaps it's actually worth my time. Lowering the bar to write books is "good" but increases the noise to signal ratio. I'm not 100% certain how to give another proof-of-work, but what I've started doing is narrating my blog posts - though AI voices are get…

> Agreed, I feel like there's an inherent nobility in putting effort into something. If I took the time to write a book and have it proof-read and edited and so on: perhaps it's actually worth my time. Said the scribe upon hearing about the printing press.

I'm not certain what statement you're implying, but yes, accessibility of bookwriting has definitely decreased the quality of books.

Even technical books like Hardcore Java: https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/hardcore-java/059600568... are god-awful, and even further away from the seminal texts on computer science that came before.

It does feel like authorship was once heralded in higher esteem than it deserves today.

Seems like people agree: https://www.reddit.com/r/books/comments/18cvy9e/rant_bestsel...

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by Gigachad »

thewarrior wrote: post #136
Gigachad wrote: post #120

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I feel like I’m being gaslit about these AI code tools. I’ve got the paid copilot through work and I’ve just about never had it do anything useful ever. I’m working on a reasonably large rails app and it can’t seem to answer any questions about anything, or even auto fill the names of methods defined in the app. Instead it just makes up names that seem plausible. It’s literally worse than the built in auto suggestion…

It’s writing most of my code now. Even if it’s existing code you can feed in the 1-2 files in question and iterate on them. Works quite well as long as you break it down a bit. It’s not gas lighting the latest versions of GPT, Claude, Lama have gotten quite good

These tools must be absolutely massively better than whatever Microsoft has then because I’ve found that GitHub copilot provides negative value, I’d be more productive just turning it off rather than auditing it’s incorrect answers hoping one day it’s as good as people market it as.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by Kiro »

Gigachad wrote: post #120
irisgrunn wrote: post #80

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And this is the major problem. People will blindly trust the output of AI because it appears to be amazing, this is how mistakes slip in. It might not be a big deal with the app you're working on, but in a banking app or medical equipment this can have a huge impact.

I feel like I’m being gaslit about these AI code tools. I’ve got the paid copilot through work and I’ve just about never had it do anything useful ever. I’m working on a reasonably large rails app and it can’t seem to answer any questions about anything, or even auto fill the names of methods defined in the app. Instead it just makes up names that seem plausible. It’s literally worse than the built in auto suggestion…

That sounds almost like the complete opposite of my experience and I'm also working in a big Rails app. I wonder how our experiences can be so diametrically different.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by ffsm8 »

elnasca2 wrote: post #51
low_tech_love wrote: post #27

The most depressing thing for me is the feeling that I simply cannot trust anything that has been written in the past 2 years or so and up until the day that I die. It's not so much that I think people have used AI, but that I know they have with a high degree of certainty, and this certainty is converging to 100%, simply because there is no way it will not. If you write regularly and you're not using AI, you simply…

What fascinates me about your comment is that you are expressing that you trusted what you read before. For me, LLMs don't change anything. I already questioned the information before and continue to do so. Why do you think that you could trust what you read before? Is it now harder for you to distinguish false information, and if so, why?

Trust as no bearing on what they said.

Reading was a form of connecting with someone. Their opinions are bound to be flawed, everyone's are - but they're still the thoughts and words of a person.

This is no longer the case. Thus, the human factor is gone and this reduces the experience to some of us, me included.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by LunaSea »

Lichtso wrote: post #106
sovietmudkipz wrote: post #4

I am tired and hungry… The thing I’m tired of is elites stealing everything under the sun to feed these models. So funny that copyright is important when it protects elites but not when a billion thefts are committed by LLM folks. Poor incentives for creators to create stuff if it just gets stolen and replicated by AI. I’m hungry for more lawsuits. The biggest theft in human history by these gang of thieves should be…

Lawsuits based on what? Copyright? People crying for copyright in the context of AI training don't understand what copyright is, how it works and when it applies. What they think how copyright works: When you take someones work as inspiration then everything you produce form that counts as derivative work. How copyright actually works: The input is irrelevant, only the output matters. Thus derivative work is what exp…

Lawsuits based on code licensing for example.

Scraping websites containing source code which is distributed with specific licenses that OpenAI & co don't follow.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by flir »

vladstudio wrote: post #85
flir wrote: post #69

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I've been using it in my personal writing (combination of GPT and Claude). I ask the AI to write something, maybe several times, and I edit it until I'm happy with it. I've always known I'm a better editor than I am an author, and the AI text gives me somewhere to start. So there's a human in the loop who is prepared to vouch for those sentences. They're not 100% human-written, but they are 100% human-approved. I hav…

you wrote this comment completely by your own, right? without any AI involved. And I read your comment feeling confident that it's truly 100% yours. I think this reader's confidence is what the OP is talking about.

I did. I write for myself mostly so I'm not so worried about one reader's trust - I guess I'm more worried that I might be contributing to the dead internet theory by generating AI-polluted text for the next generation of AIs to train on.

At the moment I'm using it for local history research. I feed it all the text I can find on an event (mostly newspaper articles and other primary sources, occasionally quotes from secondary sources) and I prompt with something like "Summarize this document in a concise and direct style. Focus on the main points and key details. Maintain a neutral, objective voice." Then I hack at it until I'm happy (mostly I cut stuff). Analysis, I do the other way around: I write the first draft, then ask the AI to polish. Then I go back and forth a few times until I'm happy with that paragraph.

I'm not going anywhere with this really, I'm just musing out loud. Am I contributing to a tragedy of the commons by writing about 18th century enclosures? Because that would be ironic.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by GaggiX »

gizmo wrote: post #33

AI writing is pretty bad, AI code is pretty bad, AI art is pretty bad. We all know this. But it's easy to forget how many new opportunities open up when something becomes 100x or 10000x cheaper. Things that are 10x worse but 100x cheaper are still extremely valuable. It's the relentless drive to making things cheaper, even at the expense of quality, that has made our high quality of life possible. You can make houses…

They are not even that bad anymore to be honest.

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Post by vasco »

a5c11 wrote: post #39
artninja1988 wrote: post #18

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Copying data is not theft

Is piracy legal then? It's just a copy of someone else's copy.

You calling it piracy is already a moral stance. Copying data isn't morally wrong in my opinion, it is not piracy and it is not theft. It happens to not be legal but just a few short years ago it was legal to marry infants to old men and you could be killed for illegal artifacts of witchcraft. Legality and morality are not the same, and the latter depends on personal opinion.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by Gigachad »

Kiro wrote: post #143
Gigachad wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like I’m being gaslit about these AI code tools. I’ve got the paid copilot through work and I’ve just about never had it do anything useful ever. I’m working on a reasonably large rails app and it can’t seem to answer any questions about anything, or even auto fill the names of methods defined in the app. Instead it just makes up names that seem plausible. It’s literally worse than the built in auto suggestion…

That sounds almost like the complete opposite of my experience and I'm also working in a big Rails app. I wonder how our experiences can be so diametrically different.

What kind of things are you using it for? I’ve tried asking it things about the app and it only gives me generic answers that could apply to any app. I’ve tried asking it why certain things changed after a rails update and it gives me generic troubleshooting advice that could apply to anything. I’ve tried getting it to generate tests and it makes up names for things or generally gets it wrong.

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Post by nils-m-holm »

low_tech_love wrote: post #27

The most depressing thing for me is the feeling that I simply cannot trust anything that has been written in the past 2 years or so and up until the day that I die. It's not so much that I think people have used AI, but that I know they have with a high degree of certainty, and this certainty is converging to 100%, simply because there is no way it will not. If you write regularly and you're not using AI, you simply…

> It's not so much that I think people have used AI, but that I know they have with a high degree of certainty, and this certainty is converging to 100%, simply because there is no way it will not. If you write regularly and you're not using AI, you simply cannot keep up with the competition.

I am writing regularly and I will never use AI. In fact I am working on a 400+ pages book right now and it does not contain a single character that I have not come up with and typed myself. Something like pride in craftmanship does exist.

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