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Re: Nextcloud: Open-Source Cloud Apps

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It's written in PHP, the most insecure web language on the planet.

What, in your opinion, makes PHP less secure than Python or JavaScript?

Not gp but I'd say because it's littered with footguns like this:

https://dev.to/klnjmm/be-careful-about-the-switch-statement-...

Re: Nextcloud: Open-Source Cloud Apps

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> it wants to do everything and does none well I can't speak to the other points you made because this has always stopped me from investing in it. What I need in my stack is a focused Google Docs alternative, but every time I've installed it (3-4 times at this point) I'm quickly overwhelmed by the quantity of stuff it includes and by how complicated actually setting up the Docs replacement was (at the time the recomm…

> it wants to do everything and does none well On that topic, it’s amusing to see when the “are we a product or a platform?” confusion jumps from its native host (publicly listed tech corps) to FOSS projects – different species altogether. The idea of owning your own server just like any other device like laptops, smartphones and tablets, is just wonderful. But that means Linux! And Linux is absolutely infamous for p…

> We would need a platform spec so that application developers can publish, users can discover and deploy, and platform providers can implement against a shared spec.

That's been tried with Linux Standard base, but it seems 'standardise on glibc 2.31 and Qt 3' is not a viable way to describe system dependencies.

Such a spec also doesn't exist for Windows or macOS systems.

If you target 'living' operating systems you need living applications that are updated to keep working. We're well past the point you can assume some 20 year old binary will work unless you're running it in an emulator.

Re: Nextcloud: Open-Source Cloud Apps

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post #119

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> it wants to do everything and does none well I can't speak to the other points you made because this has always stopped me from investing in it. What I need in my stack is a focused Google Docs alternative, but every time I've installed it (3-4 times at this point) I'm quickly overwhelmed by the quantity of stuff it includes and by how complicated actually setting up the Docs replacement was (at the time the recomm…

> it wants to do everything and does none well On that topic, it’s amusing to see when the “are we a product or a platform?” confusion jumps from its native host (publicly listed tech corps) to FOSS projects – different species altogether. The idea of owning your own server just like any other device like laptops, smartphones and tablets, is just wonderful. But that means Linux! And Linux is absolutely infamous for p…

Maybe I misunderstand what you're suggesting, but aren't containers pretty much that application platform? Or stuff like Helm, when you're talking about larger, more complex deployments? I imagine Nextcloud needs at least a database, web server and the ability to send emails, and possibly some form of backup and high availability if you really want to rely on it. There are a lot of non-trivial ways to skin that cat.

Re: Nextcloud: Open-Source Cloud Apps

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Photoprisim Check it out, I've been very happy with that instead of Google photos.

I want to like it but it’s quasi-open source. As far as I understand, from the convoluted FAQ, paid Essentials members can’t access the source code, and they are gatekeeping some quite basic features behind Essentials membership. Reading between the lines I think it is closer to dual licensed. With extra conditions for the non-public source.

Which features are you missing in the open source version?

Re: Nextcloud: Open-Source Cloud Apps

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There’s OCIS now, which is a very good alternative if you’re only looking for a file sync solution (without all the App platform aspects of Nextcloud)

Enterprise focused software written in a meme language. Not interesting.

There are plenty of things to not like about Go, but it's certainly not a meme language. It's one of the first languages I'd personally seriously consider if I were to write server-side file sync software. (PHP, on the other hand, would be way far down on the list.)

Re: Nextcloud: Open-Source Cloud Apps

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Nextcloud is a nightmare. First if all, it wants to do everything and does none well (or better than specialized apps) Its internals are a shitshow - a question about getting the real IP of the calling client raised a 10 pages discussion where people said "it works" and other days "it does not". The "solution" required you to change a volatile setting within the docker container (and do it again when the container ch…

With AIO upgrade is a piece of cake. -- For us, Nextcloud is a godsend, some things could be improved, true, but they are improving; we are more than grateful for this comprehensive software. Much less hassle (and even less expensive) than Microsoft before.

Re: Nextcloud: Open-Source Cloud Apps

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It is better to use several open-source projects that "do one thing well" instead of a single product that attempts to do everything well.

If we can advance portable specs so different open source projects can interop... that would be better time spent.

Re: Nextcloud: Open-Source Cloud Apps

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Nextcloud ate my data on a single user installation with no fancy settings turned on, with no upgrades attempted. The sync client on desktop said it was fully synced. Only 200GB of 800GB was on the machine. It’s some of the worst software I have ever used. It’s the pentagon house with the inverted roof built with the two-clawed hammer that eevee described.

> The sync client on desktop said it was fully synced. Only 200GB of 800GB was on the machine. Did you read the manual? It is recommended for such size to do the first sync using rsync (or similar) followed by the CLI command to build the files database.

Silent data loss like that is not acceptable, even if there would have been a way to sync which would have worked around the data loss bug.

Re: Nextcloud: Open-Source Cloud Apps

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Nextcloud is a nightmare. First if all, it wants to do everything and does none well (or better than specialized apps) Its internals are a shitshow - a question about getting the real IP of the calling client raised a 10 pages discussion where people said "it works" and other days "it does not". The "solution" required you to change a volatile setting within the docker container (and do it again when the container ch…

Yep.

Running it on k8s has similar issues. I only used it as sync for my obsidian notes with occasional (maybe once a month) access to those notes via web ui. I wasn’t happy with how it would reformat my notes on save.

Sync thing supports encrypted storage in VPS and is trivial to run in k8s and it’s been much better for my needs.

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