WP Engine is not WordPress

Post by nqzero » Sun, Sep 22, 2024, 6:48 PM UTC

bad_user wrote: post #97

nqzero wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

try releasing something under an open-but-not-open-source license as a solo developer or small team. there's a lot of established developers (presumably earning high salaries) that will very vocally badmouth the license choice. i'd seen this happen over and over again eg here, and when i've asked other developers why they open sourced their products they've said the same, and it was one of my concerns when i approach…

You're being disingenuous. There are 2 reasons freemium shared-source-style licenses are bad mouthed: 1. The products get advertised as open source; inviting people to look at it and contribute, the problem being that they are legal minefields, copyright or patents lawsuits that are waiting to happen. This was the biggest complaint against Microsoft's Shared Source initiative back in the day, and it's just as true no…

  - me: solo dev or small team
  - you: microsoft, mongo, redis

  - for me, what's ultimately important is that people are free and that people that do good work are rewarded
  - software licenses are just a tool to help us get there
  - non-FLOSS might enable much of that same good while scaling to more business models and software
  - they might ultimately be good for society, but getting the details right is hard
  - i'm no longer actively working on my own stuff, but my attempt was: https://github.com/db4j/pupl
  - note: if i was doing this today, the core limit would be much higher

Post by Kye » Sun, Sep 22, 2024, 7:42 PM UTC

Post by rmccue » Sun, Sep 22, 2024, 8:37 PM UTC

deepfriedchokes wrote: post #144

usaphp wrote: post #77

It looks like people here are missing the context of the source of the issue between Matt and WP engine. Couple days ago he posted on X that wpengine has similar revenue to automattic, yet doesn’t contribute back to open source as much as they promised to (5 hour per week per employee or something like that). A wpengine employee replied to a post saying that management doesn’t allow them to contribute to Wordpress op…

Maybe Wordpress should consider a different license.

Post by bluevaletines » Sun, Sep 22, 2024, 8:39 PM UTC

wmf wrote: post #56

bastawhiz wrote: post #33

Am I missing something? This feels like such a bizarre hill to die on. He's upset that a company offers hosting of his software with a default setting changed. I guess, don't have that setting then? There's no mention of the source code being changed or custom patches being applied. So the allegation that it's "something that they’ve chopped up, hacked, butchered to look like WordPress" is maximally overblown. Unless…

Matt is mad that WP Engine is profiting without contributing much back. This "it's not WordPress" seems like a fig leaf on top of that concern.

Post by fragmede » Sun, Sep 22, 2024, 8:53 PM UTC

darby_nine wrote: post #110

bad_user wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "It's not good enough for a competitor to Google's search engine to be 30% better, it needs to be 10x better in order to compete." This may be so, but there is no competition that's even 10% better than Google. Competition may win on some non-functional requirements, such as privacy (hardly), or UI controls (e.g., silencing certain domains), but that pales in comparison with Google's local search results. And most…

> This may be so, but there is no competition that's even 10% better than Google. It's been more than a decade since google results were distinguishable from bing results. Both spam you with commercial crap. > This may be so, but there is no competition that's even 10% better than Google. Kagi is much better than google. I have no clue what their baseline search quality is like, but I don't care because I can customi…