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Re: YC S12 company refuses to pay for my design. "Send your claim to our legal team"

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Post by mixmax »

ximeng wrote: post #97
_delirium wrote: post #19

I'm going to go out on a limb and register a slight discomfort with the increasing use of HN as a "court of public opinion" in very fact-bound disputes like this one. I can sort of see resorting to it out of desperation, but I'm afraid the Internet Lynch Mob has a very high ratio of outrage to effort spent actually investigating. This post has 84 upvotes in 21 minutes, which suggests a very quick investigation! So, t…

YC also seems discomforted, it's only about half way down the front page with 196 votes in an hour. (Top item has 117 points in 3 hours). Perhaps this is due to flags from people who don't like the story, or maybe mods have manually down-ranked it.

The algorithm takes many things into account, one of which is the url. Self-posts for instance need a lot more upvotes to get high up on the frontpage. So You can't quite know.

Re: YC S12 company refuses to pay for my design. "Send your claim to our legal team"

#142

Post by ximeng »

mixmax wrote: post #141
ximeng wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

YC also seems discomforted, it's only about half way down the front page with 196 votes in an hour. (Top item has 117 points in 3 hours). Perhaps this is due to flags from people who don't like the story, or maybe mods have manually down-ranked it.

The algorithm takes many things into account, one of which is the url. Self-posts for instance need a lot more upvotes to get high up on the frontpage. So You can't quite know.

It jumped from first to tenth in a few minutes... But yes you can't quite know.

Re: YC S12 company refuses to pay for my design. "Send your claim to our legal team"

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Post by forlio »

I wouldn't pay you for that design. It's mediocre and needs major refinement. I would tell you to redo it. Get over it and learn to hustle better, Otherwise you won't make it very long as a designer. Verbal agreements don't mean anything any more. Clients just don't care and designers are a dime a dozen these days. If we fail then our competitors pick up our mess. Again I will say, get over it and find some other work. If you are as good as you think you are then you should have no problem finding work, right?

Re: YC S12 company refuses to pay for my design. "Send your claim to our legal team"

#144

Post by peetahb »

untog wrote: post #46
uptown wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's them, maybe ask Katelyn Gleason if his version of the story is true: http://www.linkedin.com/in/katelyngleason

She's on Twitter, too. I'm hesitant to link to it, lest we unleash the internet lynch mob.

Well her info is on the linkedin profile, so no need to make it easier for the internet lynch mob to find it.

Re: YC S12 company refuses to pay for my design. "Send your claim to our legal team"

#146

Post by forlio »

dmix wrote: post #51
soup10 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, that screen looks like 5 hours work, max. Summoning an internet lynch mob over a dispute like that is incredibly unprofessional.

I disagree. It's impossible to tell from a screenshot how long something took. I could easily recreate that screenshot in a couple hours in photoshop - but that doesn't mean it TOOK a couple hours in photoshop. The majority of design is thinking through how the app will be used, researching similar apps, figuring out intended user goals, etc etc. Then theres a long process of experimentation until you get to a point…

Looking at that design makes me think the designer is fresh out of school. Lack of a real understanding for client management and asking the client real hard questions about strategy and long term goals. A bunch of whiners, get over it learn to handle your clients better.

Re: YC S12 company refuses to pay for my design. "Send your claim to our legal team"

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Post by forlio »

kategleason wrote: post #68
kennywinker wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure. 5 hours @ somewhere between $67-20/hour* is $337-$100. Since the post doesn't mention a specific amount, we have no way of knowing if their bill was for more or less... all we can guess is it was > $100 (three $'s used when blanking the price). * http://www.howdesign.com/design-business/pricing/hourly-rate...

$780.

Whoa $780 for that design? I personally would not have even charged for that preliminary design. Why are you designing any way. Where are the rough sketches and wireframes? Did you not learn that in school? Wireframes first, then discuss with management to get a better understanding of the underlying goals and objectives. Get them on the phone and ask lots of questions about the company, management, customers and the overall scope of the project.

Re: YC S12 company refuses to pay for my design. "Send your claim to our legal team"

#148

Post by asto »

edanm wrote: post #137
asto wrote: post #94

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Poor guy is hard up for cash and getting it up here might get someone in authority at YC to fix the problem. As for lynch mobs, her twitter profile shows no signs of such a thing. That's 1 for Reddit/HN and 0 for her as far as maturity is concerned. Lastly, I wouldn't care even if some internet lynch mobbing were going on. Between being broke for no fault of mine because x behaved irresponsibly and making x's life mi…

The problem with mobs is that they don't bother to first check that the complainant has a point. You've only heard one side of the story - why do you assume it's all you need to hear?

If the facts provided on the reddit post were untrue (such as the email replies), they would have been refuted by now.

Re: YC S12 company refuses to pay for my design. "Send your claim to our legal team"

#149

Post by forlio »

bradleyland wrote: post #88

My advice? Get up, dust yourself off, and move on. These scenarios might result in a deluge of support from others in your field, but for a lot of managers, this puts you on a special kind of blacklist. We can't know all the details of the circumstance, but we do know for sure that you were willing to "name & shame" the client here on HN. For some, that's enough. Just to be clear, it definitely sounds like you got a…

I totally agree, this happens when you first start. Call it inexperience or just plan ignorance. Either way if this designer is any good they will have new work in no time. Learn to manage your clients better and how to actually approach a project correctly. On another note, take them to court if you think it's worth the time. Or if you can take them out to lunch and figure it out with out legal council. See if you can make a new friend, it's better to have them as a friend than an enemy.

Re: YC S12 company refuses to pay for my design. "Send your claim to our legal team"

#150

Post by asto »

ximeng wrote: post #97
_delirium wrote: post #19

I'm going to go out on a limb and register a slight discomfort with the increasing use of HN as a "court of public opinion" in very fact-bound disputes like this one. I can sort of see resorting to it out of desperation, but I'm afraid the Internet Lynch Mob has a very high ratio of outrage to effort spent actually investigating. This post has 84 upvotes in 21 minutes, which suggests a very quick investigation! So, t…

YC also seems discomforted, it's only about half way down the front page with 196 votes in an hour. (Top item has 117 points in 3 hours). Perhaps this is due to flags from people who don't like the story, or maybe mods have manually down-ranked it.

looks like they've assigned a larger weight to this post so it falls faster but there's no way to be sure of course. I don't see why so many regular HNers would flag this post.
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