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Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by habinero »

alt227 wrote: post #127
habinero wrote: post #121

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This is not about gender or sex. This is about any person creating damage for their future selves online. Whether you like it or not, people running businesses and hiring people, or school teachers etc, have opinions and views of their own. These factor into their decisions when they are interacting with you through daily life. If somebody who takes a dim view of promiscuity sees that you have an only fans account, t…

That's true for every part of the human experience. People discriminate because of religion, etc. Sounds like you care too much about what other people think of you.

Anyways, my point is this sort of thing is rapidly becoming something nobody cares about, and that's due to feminism and it's a good thing.

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by bad_user »

Freak_NL wrote: post #130
lynx23 wrote: post #122

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Well, those civilians who can think for themselves, especially about the consequences of their actions, are clearly in advantage. I am lacking empathy for those who are apparently so hooked up to the here-and-now that they seem to ignore the future. If you sell your body, most societies will punish you. Thats fine, societies have all sorts of norms we all need to learn.

> If you sell your body, most societies will punish you. Thats [sic] fine, […] How is that 'fine'? I would like to see a future where someone doing sex work to make ends meet (or even as a freely chosen profession!) is not ostracised for it. Sex is part of society whether you want it or not, and so is paying for sexual acts.

I would like to see a future where people shouldn't have to prostitute themselves to make ends meet.

Some cultural norms are outdated, but prostitution is still degrading and dangerous for those practicing it, especially for the women; who may not be doing so willingly, prostitution being the main incentive for human trafficking. And the online medium doesn't change that by much.

Some people may be willing to pay for sex, some people are willing to pay for many other things or activities that should be or are illegal.

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Post by beaglesss »

Freak_NL wrote: post #130
lynx23 wrote: post #122

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Well, those civilians who can think for themselves, especially about the consequences of their actions, are clearly in advantage. I am lacking empathy for those who are apparently so hooked up to the here-and-now that they seem to ignore the future. If you sell your body, most societies will punish you. Thats fine, societies have all sorts of norms we all need to learn.

> If you sell your body, most societies will punish you. Thats [sic] fine, […] How is that 'fine'? I would like to see a future where someone doing sex work to make ends meet (or even as a freely chosen profession!) is not ostracised for it. Sex is part of society whether you want it or not, and so is paying for sexual acts.

Society accepting sex work is the worst thing that can happen to sex workers. They can have their cake and eat it right now -- not terribly illegal in the west but shunned which limits competition.

When it becomes fine, it will be worth no more than someone coming to mow your lawn, and probably less than that.

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Post by groestl »

lynx23 wrote: post #138
Freak_NL wrote: post #133

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Wait, you would seriously hold that against a potential mate if they were open about it and honest about their motivations?

Er, yes. Without a question. Would you date an ex-prostitue?

How would you even know if somebody you like had engaged in transactional sex before?

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Post by somenameforme »

AmericanChopper wrote: post #68
Dries007 wrote: post #43

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> There is no "formula" for success in the creator economy - the winners are largely random. I think that strongly depends on what you call "the creator economy". For example, on YT it's really mostly skill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip2trao6dYw Not that I believe its easy, nor do I think AI will be super good at it, at least not before everything else also enshittifies into the habsburg-AI-powered dead interne…

The idea that success is earned through luck rather than merit is a firmly ideological position, regardless of the domain you’re talking about. If you succeeded via luck then that provides a better moral justification for the related ideological position that you should be deprived of the fruits of your labor as much as possible, for redistribution to others who were simply less lucky than you. It’s really just sour…

One of the few domains where this is testable has also demonstrated this. Writing is about as hard to break into as anything, yet Stephen King demonstrated success writing under a completely unknown alias. [1]

No he didn't immediately received the same level of reception and success as Stephen King does, but neither did Stephen King at first! That's why it's skill + dedication. If you look at some of the old videos of people who have succeeded in e.g. social media, they tend to have terrible production quality yet still significantly stand out from the crowd, even their early days. For instance this [2] is one of the first videos Vertasium ever uploaded, 13 years old now! That video, even now still 'only' has 230k views, and certainly had a tiny fraction of that when it was initially released - but he kept at it, clearly putting way more into his videos than he was getting out of them - until that trend reversed.

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Bachman

[2] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBjZz0iQrzI

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by Freak_NL »

lynx23 wrote: post #138
Freak_NL wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, you would seriously hold that against a potential mate if they were open about it and honest about their motivations?

Er, yes. Without a question. Would you date an ex-prostitue?

As long as she matched with me on a personal, intellectual, and moral level, and is a good match in general, sure. I would like to understand her motivations for doing so of course, but that's what dating is all about.

Besides, if some other hypothetical perfect match told me she still went to church until her 25th and actually believed all that stuff I wouldn't dismiss her outright either for doing something so silly, but similarly seek to understand her first.

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Post by amelius »

Freak_NL wrote: post #130
lynx23 wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, those civilians who can think for themselves, especially about the consequences of their actions, are clearly in advantage. I am lacking empathy for those who are apparently so hooked up to the here-and-now that they seem to ignore the future. If you sell your body, most societies will punish you. Thats fine, societies have all sorts of norms we all need to learn.

> If you sell your body, most societies will punish you. Thats [sic] fine, […] How is that 'fine'? I would like to see a future where someone doing sex work to make ends meet (or even as a freely chosen profession!) is not ostracised for it. Sex is part of society whether you want it or not, and so is paying for sexual acts.

It's fine because otherwise we'd evolve into the social structure of Bonobo monkeys, where every problem is solved with sex.

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by ithkuil »

beaglesss wrote: post #143
Freak_NL wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you sell your body, most societies will punish you. Thats [sic] fine, […] How is that 'fine'? I would like to see a future where someone doing sex work to make ends meet (or even as a freely chosen profession!) is not ostracised for it. Sex is part of society whether you want it or not, and so is paying for sexual acts.

Society accepting sex work is the worst thing that can happen to sex workers. They can have their cake and eat it right now -- not terribly illegal in the west but shunned which limits competition. When it becomes fine, it will be worth no more than someone coming to mow your lawn, and probably less than that.

Wouldn't that put at least some pressure into pursuing other options (like mowing somebody's lawn)?

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Post by benterix »

lynx23 wrote: post #122
braza wrote: post #118

Not a moralistic take, but one issue that interests me is the second-order impacts associated with the long tail of producers in OF who do not make a career from it. With traditional adult entertainment, creators are aware of the social ramifications (e.g., social stigma, familial ostracism, difficulty dealing with the future, and so on), and there is a decent theoretical economic framework to measure that. I am not…

Well, those civilians who can think for themselves, especially about the consequences of their actions, are clearly in advantage. I am lacking empathy for those who are apparently so hooked up to the here-and-now that they seem to ignore the future. If you sell your body, most societies will punish you. Thats fine, societies have all sorts of norms we all need to learn.

> If you sell your body, most societies will punish you.

Why though? It is an interesting issue when you look closer. For an individual, it's more obvious - I wouldn't like to be with a prostitute because of possible hidden diseases and lack of trust - but there is no way of telling how many sexual contacts my new partner had, whether paid for or not.

But I wouldn't have any problem working with an ex-pro in the same company or team, they would be just a colleague like all the rest, and I can't imagine any adult making any immature comments about the past of any colleagues on my team.

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by ithkuil »

ithkuil wrote: post #148
beaglesss wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Society accepting sex work is the worst thing that can happen to sex workers. They can have their cake and eat it right now -- not terribly illegal in the west but shunned which limits competition. When it becomes fine, it will be worth no more than someone coming to mow your lawn, and probably less than that.

Wouldn't that put at least some pressure into pursuing other options (like mowing somebody's lawn)?

Wouldn't that be an incentive towards other career paths (such as mowing lawns)?

EDIT: brace for the lawn mowing cartels led by ex human trafficking gangs. On a more serious note, there is so much criminality involved in that field precisely because it's illegal and lucrative. You remove that and you remove a lot of abuse.

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