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> That's where everyone in America came from. Er, quite a lot came from Africa.
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Given your other replies to this thread, I am happy to be a midwit, if the other option was having your big brains.
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I've banned the above account (see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41447769), but please don't respond to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes things worse.
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
Edit: your account has unfortunately been breaking the site guidelines a lot as well, not just in this thread but in many threads:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41208642 (Aug 2024)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41046824 (July 2024)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41019101 (July 2024)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41019067 (July 2024)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40936702 (July 2024)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40936599 (July 2024)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40895260 (July 2024)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40862324 (July 2024)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40471444 (May 2024)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40320673 (May 2024)
I'm not putting you in the same class as that other account, obviously, but there are different forms of abuse and you've unfortunately been repeatedly doing some of them, such as by posting flamebait, ideological battle comments, and personal attacks.
I don't want to ban you, because you've also posted good comments and you've been here for years, but we need you to stop posting like this. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and use HN as intended, that would be good. Complaining about how much the site has deteriorated and how other people are wrecking it does not make it ok to wreck it yourself.
Re: How immigration remade the U.S. labor force
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#146How do all these people immigrate to the US? Is it all family-based? I work in technological field with many more opportunities in the US and have researched how to move there but it seems almost impossible. I know an American who applied for jobs in my country, got an offer and was over within a few months but that doesn't work the other way round.
Yes, it's mostly family-based. If you look at the distribution of the categories of the issued green cards, ~2/3 are through family. Employment based green cards are less than 15%.
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#148>Recent immigrants tend to earn less than U.S.-born workers because of their lower level of education, lack of English, and in some cases because they are working without permission. They might also compete with existing workers with less education and put downward pressure on their wages, too. This is my biggest problem with immigration. It is a handout to corporations. If we think about the poorest Americans, this…
My understanding is that Americans aren't willing to work a lot of lower wage jobs. I think that Mexicans harvest most of the crops in California. A friend of mine in California needed roof repairs and he says that all the American workers were pretty lackadaisical, while the Mexicans worked pretty hard. I believe a lot of hotel staff are immigrants as well, and after the pandemic smaller hotels were simply unable to hire staff. Lawn care is another industry. If anything, I think immigration as regards these areas may be a handout to farmers and homeowners needing manual labor.
H-1Bs are another issue, but since it's capped at something like 50k, I'm not sure how much it's really contributing to lower wages, especially given how software has some of the highest wages in the economy. I don't think the "poorest Americans" are going to be working in tech, though. I've worked with some of the kids in this category, and my conclusion is that poverty is a culture and a mindset. Those without that mindset (frequently children of immigrants) gain the skills necessary to leave.
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#149>Recent immigrants tend to earn less than U.S.-born workers because of their lower level of education, lack of English, and in some cases because they are working without permission. They might also compete with existing workers with less education and put downward pressure on their wages, too. This is my biggest problem with immigration. It is a handout to corporations. If we think about the poorest Americans, this…
My understanding is that Americans aren't willing to work a lot of lower wage jobs. I think that Mexicans harvest most of the crops in California. A friend of mine in California needed roof repairs and he says that all the American workers were pretty lackadaisical, while the Mexicans worked pretty hard. I believe a lot of hotel staff are immigrants as well, and after the pandemic smaller hotels were simply unable to…
I interpret your story as the American workers thinking "wow, I'm not getting paid enough to deal with this s***."
I also interpret your story as the children of immigrants realizing "wow, I'm not going to be paid enough to deal with the s** * my parents deal/dealt with." So they find a way to get a tech job or desk job.
One could just as easily denigrate the children of immigrants as being lackadasical, but that's not necessary. Why denigrate people?
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#150>Recent immigrants tend to earn less than U.S.-born workers because of their lower level of education, lack of English, and in some cases because they are working without permission. They might also compete with existing workers with less education and put downward pressure on their wages, too. This is my biggest problem with immigration. It is a handout to corporations. If we think about the poorest Americans, this…
My understanding is that Americans aren't willing to work a lot of lower wage jobs. I think that Mexicans harvest most of the crops in California. A friend of mine in California needed roof repairs and he says that all the American workers were pretty lackadaisical, while the Mexicans worked pretty hard. I believe a lot of hotel staff are immigrants as well, and after the pandemic smaller hotels were simply unable to…
The jobs wouldn’t be lower wage in the first place if businesses didn’t have immigrants to exploit.