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Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by dwighttk »

markus_zhang wrote: post #45

On a side note, I have been reflecting on the impact of modern Internet contents on me for the last 12 years or so. The conclusion is, for whatever the reason, the impact is mostly negative. It would do me a great favor to simply remove Youtube, social media sites and anything similar from my life. I probably have ADHD. I rarely completed any side projects. I'm anxious most if the time, biting my fingers all the time…

In Plato’s allegory of the cave it isn’t the cave you want to go back to, it is your family you want to awaken to the fact that they are inside he cave being entertained by shadow puppets.

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by Narishma »

tyfon wrote: post #79
graemep wrote: post #12

Works fine for me. Firefox on Linux.

Same for me. I have yt premium + ublock origin, perhaps this is related to their war non premium users having adblock.

No, it's become unusable with or without ublock origin for me.

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by chii »

scrlk wrote: post #26

Seems to be okay for me on FF 129.0.2 + uBlock Origin, running on Windows 11. Looking through the Reddit comments, users running older versions of FF may be affected? Seeing a few people commenting that they're seeing this YT issue with v88, 110, 115 ESR and 121.

i am using the ESR version and the slowness definitely exists here.

The slowness accumulates after the infinite scroll loads a lot (e.g., the subscriptions page or the home page, or comments). Refreshing fixes it, but now you've lost the old position and have to re-scroll back (which, causes the slowness once again).

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by Culonavirus »

roughly wrote: post #126
neilv wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since YouTube has massive resources and famed tooling&processes, presumably either they knew about the Firefox problems before deploying, or (if there was a genuine QA mistake) they'd know about it very soon after deploy, when they'd be able to rollback if they wanted to. (Obviously, they know about Firefox, they've developed for it since it was available, and they've even been funding it.)

You’d be shocked how shitty the development practices inside a bigco can be. Working at a FAANG-level company is profoundly disillusioning.

One of recent Chromium updates (affected Chrome's and Edge's wide release, not just betas) completely broke all pages with select elements containing a large amount of option elements. We're talking 100+ times slower parsing of the page. An internal tool of ours went from rendering pretty much instantly to 30s long hangs and/or crashes.

Found the bug: https://issues.chromium.org/issues/341095522

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by phh »

benterix wrote: post #131
neilv wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I always find these comments a bit rediculous. You think that big corporations are incapable of having accidental bugs? I didn't say they that they couldn't have accidental bugs. I did note that they'd normally be able to rollback a deploy with problems. Why do you say that's ridiculous to comment?

I don't think it's ridiculous, it's just they might not necessarily care enough. They will consider it a bug if there's enough uproar, for now there are just a couple of unhappy users here and there, no reasons to revert something that presumably took a lot of work to implement, especially if the fix takes more effort than the original implementation (I wouldn't be surprised since we're talking about performance diff…

I kinda hope that time-to-render is in their A/B rollout metrics to prevent rollouts...

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by wilsonnb3 »

wannacboatmovie wrote: post #124
PaulHoule wrote: post #2

Google has been degrading YouTube in Firefox for me for about six months. Where are the antitrust enforcers when you need them?

We are supposed to believe Google hires some of the most brilliant minds on the planet, but I've yet to see evidence of this. YouTube has been unusable for years and is only getting worse. When one of your flagship products is unusable for both technical people and novices alike, in my mind you have failed as a company. The front end is what the user sees and what matters. YouTube was a better product 10 years ago an…

They have billions of monthly active users, many of whom are literally toddlers. I think "unusable" is a bit too much hyperbole.

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by entropicdrifter »

bawolff wrote: post #122
observationist wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google is a megacorp - Hanlon's razor doesn't apply. Just because there's no one person twirling their mustache and mwahahaha-ing doesn't mean this isn't malicious and hostile behavior by Google. It doesn't matter even if there's no individual human at Google that intended this. What does matter is that the leadership at Google clearly doesn't do what is necessary in preventing hostile behavior as a consequence of ne…

> Google is a megacorp - Hanlon's razor doesn't apply. On the contrary, i think it applies more. The larger the group, the more stupid stuff it does.

This this this.

Megacorporations aren't more competent,they're able to get away with more incompetence and tell whoever complains to shove it.

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by entropicdrifter »

drpossum wrote: post #138
mykowebhn wrote: post #27

I have the latest Firefox on Mac OS, and no problems for me. I pay for Youtube Premium, though. I wonder if that makes a difference.

I've got premium and am using MacOS and I've had to kill my browser several times in the last couple days because it froze up. I'm using M3s if it makes a difference.

Working fine for me over here. Firefox on M1 Pro Mac, also YT Premium. I'll check on my gaming PC (Linux Mint 22, Firefox)

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by BenoitEssiambre »

carpenecopinum wrote: post #56
BenoitEssiambre wrote: post #37

Imo, it's just too difficult to maintain compatibility through a natural language specification. Things like browsers need some kind of open source reference implementation to act as a spec to maintain interoperability. https://benoitessiambre.com/specification.html

1) I'm reasonably confident that this issue is not an accident. Better compatibility / better specs won't help here, I'm afraid. 2) A reference implementation for browser-features is an insanely complex project. Already there are effectively only two entities on the entire planet who can produce a browser that is reasonably close to the current spec. If you forced a reference implementation to exist, it'd probably ju…

You don't think Mozilla adopting chromium or a fork of it would fix a lot of their problems?

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by entropicdrifter »

kuschku wrote: post #40

It works perfectly fine (everything loads instantly ) when I'm logged in with an account that has YouTube Premium. But when I try using it with an account that doesn't have YouTube Premium, on the same browser, on the same hardware, everything hangs for 30+ seconds. Hmmmmmmmmm?

Adtech bloatware causing issues, maybe?
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