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Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by codedokode »

aquatica wrote: post #91
greatgib wrote: post #2

I did not see the info anywhere else, but it was just broadcasted by the main French tv channel. Pavel Durov, the Telegram founder was just arrested out of his airplane in the Bourget airport in France near Paris. There is no info about why exactly he was arrested but it looks like that French police had a warrant for him. But it looks like it is because that he is accused of being an accessory of a lot of things lik…

> "I can easily guess that assholes in secret service would probably like very much to use that to blackmail him to add backdoors to telegram. So sad." Telegram is a backdoor by design. The server has complete access to all your messages, they can do whatever they want with those. And they even had a backdoor in E2EE chats, see: https://habr.com/ru/articles/206900/

Note that America has been caught spying on EU countries politicians and manufacturers so many times and nobody got ever punished for this. While the backdoor talks are purely hypothetical, and Telegram's client and protocol are open source: you can just study the code.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by noobermin »

aquatica wrote: post #91
greatgib wrote: post #2

I did not see the info anywhere else, but it was just broadcasted by the main French tv channel. Pavel Durov, the Telegram founder was just arrested out of his airplane in the Bourget airport in France near Paris. There is no info about why exactly he was arrested but it looks like that French police had a warrant for him. But it looks like it is because that he is accused of being an accessory of a lot of things lik…

> "I can easily guess that assholes in secret service would probably like very much to use that to blackmail him to add backdoors to telegram. So sad." Telegram is a backdoor by design. The server has complete access to all your messages, they can do whatever they want with those. And they even had a backdoor in E2EE chats, see: https://habr.com/ru/articles/206900/

Do you have a link in english?

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by vizzah »

A most likely outcome now is that a deal will be made to avoid jail time and he'll let EU do the backdoors or whatever they were asking politely first.

Telegram has also tried to distance itself from TON crypto token, but it is so obvious how it still serves the original Durov's vision and controlled by a team of founders (aka initial token holders), now proofing their stakes for a supposedly decentralized blockchain to operate.

It's not a wise idea to run "uncensored" messenger where a lot of shit happens and also offer it's users built-in non-government-surveilled payment methods.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by mmsc »

ProAm wrote: post #106
mmsc wrote: post #82

Just think: all the companies that do illegal shit and get slaps on the wrist with a few thousand/million dollar fines. That's the only "consequence" for the executives that blew up the economy in 2008, the politicians that are in cahoots with company executives to funnel money into their pockets, the companies that spy on their own employees without due diligence or cause, the producers of products that knowingly ca…

We can be honest and the government realizes that it's not just talking. At least for the conversations they are concerned about. *EDIT* I dont agree with it, but Ive seen governments do far worse with far less.

Airlines do not search people's baggage for drugs. Postage services do not search people's packages for drugs.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by wkat4242 »

whatnotests2 wrote: post #60

Is this real?

Yeah Reuters has it too: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/telegram-messaging-app-...

No source on what the warrant is about though.

FWIW I really like Telegram and pay for it, I hope it will get cleared up soon.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by walterbell »

vizzah wrote: post #85
chad1n wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EU has been complaining about Telegram's end-to-end encryption for a long time and they want to implement some regulations to basically add backdoors into all messaging apps. I don't really see how this case will go on since at least private chats are encrypted so Telegram (theoretically at least) can't see the contents.

Private chats are a hassle to initiate and not multi-device. Most use normal chats. With anonymous accounts, using anonymous +888 numbers, whose price has increased from $16 to $1000+ in a matter of a year, it is indeed a very convenient playground for all sorts of activities.

In which countries are the vendors of anonymous numbers located?

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by ivanmontillam »

Glacia wrote: post #43
greatgib wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since forever I stay suspicious but so far Telegram as an impeccable track record. Never there was a single instance of case where there would be even a suspicion of proof that insider knowledge of conversations was accessed/used. Also, it is clear that Durov is a dissident and personally experienced and run away of the dictatorial state. So I think that it is probably one of the tech personality that I trust the mos…

Obviously FSB is not going to make a press release and be like "We have the keys LOL" so there would never be definitive proof. Fun fact: Telegram at some point was blocked in Russia for not giving FSB access to data. Later telegram was unblocked and is used extensively in Russia. It's not hard to figure out why it was unblocked.

> It's not hard to figure out why it was unblocked.

If you're implying it's backdoored, that's a wild mental gymnastics you made there.

No hate, but your comment is speculative in nature.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by codedokode »

kgeist wrote: post #105
Glacia wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I can easily guess that assholes in secret service would probably like very much to use that to blackmail him to add backdoors to telegram Do you unironically believe it's not already backdoored for Russian government?

Durov was notorious in Russia for refusing to cooperate with FSB (successor to KGB), too. I remember when FSB asked him to give access to protester communications on VK (in 2011 during mass protests), he mockingly responded with a picture of a dog with its tongue out (showing your tongue means "I won't give it to ya" in Russian culture). That's why he left Russia, because he felt he'd get arrested soon. Quite ironic…

And my intuition is that Telegram is going to become banned in Russia soon, as Youtube is being banned now and Telegram is the last popular application where you can find the content about war, protests or elections that govt doesn't like.
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