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Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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I must have missed the memo. Where could I get the free money? "a few years ago" we had a global pandemic. Are you claiming that markets will be very picky compared to that time?

I think you missed the memo during the pandemic then. That was the biggest supply of free money in a while for many industries.

Which ones? What did you have to say to get the free money?

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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It’s certainly possible that AI is being overhyped, and I think in some cases it definitely is - but being tired of hearing about it in no way correlates to its actual usefulness. In other words, lot of people seem to think that human attention spans are what determine everything, but the technological cycles at work here are much much deeper. Personally I have used Midjourney and ChatGPT in ways that will have huge…

> It’s certainly possible that AI is being overhyped, and I think in some cases it definitely is - but being tired of hearing about it in no way correlates to its actual usefulness. Please tell that to all types on HN who downvote anything related to Rust without even reading past the title. :D > In other words, lot of people seem to think that human attention spans are what determine everything, but the technologica…

I don't understand how someone could think that ChatGPT or Midjourney aren't going to radically change many, many industries, and frankly to think this just seems like straight up ignorance or laziness. It's not that hard to find real examples of this stuff.

But if you insist...here are two very small examples from my personal experience with AI tools.

1. I work as a technical writer. Recently I needed to add a summary section to the introduction of a large number of articles. So, I copied the article into ChatGPT and told it to summarize the piece into 3-4 bullet points. Were I doing this task a few years ago, I would have read each article and then written the bullet points myself – nothing particularly difficult, but very time-consuming to do for dozens of articles. Instead, I used ChatGPT and saved myself hours upon hours of mundane work.

This is a quite minor and mundane example, but you can (hopefully) see how this will have major effects on any kind of routine text-creation.

2. I am working on a side project which requires the creation of a large number of custom images. I've had this project idea for a few years, but previously couldn't afford to spend $20k hiring an illustrator to make them all. Now with Midjourney, I am able to create essentially unlimited images for $30-100 a month. This new AI tool has quite literally unlocked a new business idea that was previously inaccessible.

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

#143

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> It’s certainly possible that AI is being overhyped, and I think in some cases it definitely is - but being tired of hearing about it in no way correlates to its actual usefulness. Please tell that to all types on HN who downvote anything related to Rust without even reading past the title. :D > In other words, lot of people seem to think that human attention spans are what determine everything, but the technologica…

I don't understand how someone could think that ChatGPT or Midjourney aren't going to radically change many, many industries, and frankly to think this just seems like straight up ignorance or laziness. It's not that hard to find real examples of this stuff. But if you insist...here are two very small examples from my personal experience with AI tools. 1. I work as a technical writer. Recently I needed to add a summa…

Responding emotionally by using words like "ignorance" and "laziness" undermines any argument that you might think you are making.

Have you considered that you getting almost angry at somebody "not seeing the light" means you might hold preconceived notions that might not hold to reality? You would not be practicing critical thinking if you are not willing to question your assumptions.

It seems your assumption is very standard: "revolution is just around the corner, how can you not see it?".

OK, let the revolution come and I'll apologize to you personally. Ping me when it happens. For real. But make sure it's an actual revolution and not "OMFG next Midjourney can produce moon-scapes!", okay?

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RE: 1, cool, I heard such success stories and I like them. But I also heard about executives flunking contracts because they over-relied on ChatGPT to summarize / synthesize contract items. I am glad it's making progress but people are being people and they will rely on a 100% fault-free AI. If that's not in place yet then the usefulness drops sharply because double-checking is even more time-consuming than doing the thing by yourself in the first place.

RE: 2, your side projects are not representative of anything at all. And I for one recognize AI images from a mile away and steer clear of projects that make use of them. Smells like low-effort to me and makes me wonder if the author didn't take other, much more fatal, shortcuts (like losing my information or selling my PII). And yes I am not the only one -- before you attempt that low-effort ad hominem technique.

I was not convinced by your comment, very little facts and it mostly appeals to the future that's forever just around the corner. Surely as an engineering-minded person you see how that's not convincing?

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

#144

They were writing pro-AI articles less than 2 months ago. They can just post AI-hype and AI-boredom articles so both sides will give them clicks. It's like an alternate form of Gell-Mann Amnesia that you're feeding.

Shockingly, people can change their minds.

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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I’ve had a lot of corporate clients this year Large and small, entire development teams are completely unaware of the basics of “prompt engineering” for coding, and corporate has an entirely regressive anti-AI policy that doesnt factor in the existence of locally run language models, and just assumes ChatGPT and cloud based ones digesting trade secrets. People arent interested in seeing what the hype is about, and ar…

Go back ten+ years, replace AI with cloud and it was the same. I saw ‘no cloud’ policies everywhere. But most of the anti-cloud people have since retired, so even the most hidebound of organisations are adopting it. It will probably take another round of retirements for AI to adopted in the more conservative environments.

> It will probably take another round of retirements for AI to adopted in the more conservative environments.

If that is the case, then the AI isn't really adding enough value.

I mean, if it was adding enough value, those companies refusing to adopt it will be out-competed before the next round of retirements, and so won't even be around.

We'll see how the landscape looks in 10 years: if there are still major companies who have not invested some money or time into sprinkling the AI over their operations, then that's a signal that the positive impact of AI was overblown.

If, OTOH, there exists no large company in 10 years who have not incorporated AI into their operations in any way, then that's a signal too - the extra value of AI is above the cost of adding it to the operations.

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

#146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand how someone could think that ChatGPT or Midjourney aren't going to radically change many, many industries, and frankly to think this just seems like straight up ignorance or laziness. It's not that hard to find real examples of this stuff. But if you insist...here are two very small examples from my personal experience with AI tools. 1. I work as a technical writer. Recently I needed to add a summa…

Responding emotionally by using words like "ignorance" and "laziness" undermines any argument that you might think you are making. Have you considered that you getting almost angry at somebody "not seeing the light" means you might hold preconceived notions that might not hold to reality? You would not be practicing critical thinking if you are not willing to question your assumptions. It seems your assumption is ver…

You asked for examples, and I gave you examples. I didn't claim AI revolution was around the corner, I just said I used them in these small ways that clearly will have big impacts in their respective areas.

My experience is in no way unique, and yes, I think it's just laziness or ignorance to think otherwise. Or in your case, a kind of zealous hostility as a reaction against hype.

I remind you that my initial comment said that yes, there are some aspects of AI that are definitely over-hyped, but that I have used the tools in ways that obviously seem to have huge economic impacts.

P.S. - if you were more familiar with AI image makers, you'd know that it's not difficult to make images that are indistinguishable from non-AI ones. But that's really not relevant here, because my point was that this new tool enabled me to create something that didn't exist before – not what your personal qualms were about AI images.

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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I've trained as a neuroscientist and written a book about consciousness. I've worked in machine learning and built products for over 20 years and now use AI a fair bit in the ed-tech work we do. So I've seen how the field has progressed and also have been able to look at it from a perspective most AI/engineering people don't -- what does this artificial intelligence look like when compared to biological intelligence.…

When Weizenbaum demonstrated Eliza to his colleagues, some thought there was an intelligent consciousness at the heart of it. Few even continued to believe this after they were shown the source code, which they were able to read and understand. Human consciousness is full of biases and the most advanced AI cannot reliably determine which of two floats is bigger or even solve really simple logic puzzles for little kid…

At this point bringing up the ELIZA argument is basically bad faith gaslighting…

Finding bugs in some models doesn’t mean you have a point about intelligence. If somebody could apply a similar argument to dismiss human intelligence, you don’t have a point. And here it goes: the most advanced human intelligence can’t reliably multiply large numbers or recall digits of Pi. Obviously humans are dumber than pocket calculators.

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

#148

I've trained as a neuroscientist and written a book about consciousness. I've worked in machine learning and built products for over 20 years and now use AI a fair bit in the ed-tech work we do. So I've seen how the field has progressed and also have been able to look at it from a perspective most AI/engineering people don't -- what does this artificial intelligence look like when compared to biological intelligence.…

What's the next big step? What will it do? Why do we need or want it? Surely you have the answer. This means you are sure we are close to automated driving, engineering and hospitality?

> This means you are sure we are close to automated driving [...]

We already have "automated driving" in some sense. Some cities have fully autonomous taxi services that have operated for a year or more, iirc.

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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I've trained as a neuroscientist and written a book about consciousness. I've worked in machine learning and built products for over 20 years and now use AI a fair bit in the ed-tech work we do. So I've seen how the field has progressed and also have been able to look at it from a perspective most AI/engineering people don't -- what does this artificial intelligence look like when compared to biological intelligence.…

> but I am yet to see any reasoned argument for why it is far more difficult and will take far longer I am yet to see any reasoned argument for why it is easy to build real AI and that it will come fast. As you said, AI has been there for decades and stagnated for pretty much the whole time. We've just had a big leap, but nothing says (except BS hype) that we're not in for a long plateau again.

>nothing says ... that we're not in for a long plateau again

The thing that's different this time is the hardware capacity in TFLOPs and the like passing human brain equivalence.

There's a massive difference between much worse than human AI - a bit meh, and better than human AI - changes everything.

>any reasoned argument for why it is easy to build real AI and that it will come fast

It probably won't be easy but the huge value of better than human AI will ensure loads of the best and brightest working on it.

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

#150

I've trained as a neuroscientist and written a book about consciousness. I've worked in machine learning and built products for over 20 years and now use AI a fair bit in the ed-tech work we do. So I've seen how the field has progressed and also have been able to look at it from a perspective most AI/engineering people don't -- what does this artificial intelligence look like when compared to biological intelligence.…

> I am absolutely astonished people don't see this as opening the flood-gates to staggeringly powerful artificial intelligence.

Perhaps it's confirmation bias ?

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