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Re: Leaving Neovim for Zed

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Post by azthecx »

BaculumMeumEst wrote: post #115

You know you are a text editor enthusiast when you spend 60% of your time fiddling with your config, 30% of your time writing about it, and 10% of your time working on something useful/interesting. Just use VS Code.

It's a matter of discipline. I've been migrating slowly to nvim, initially through motions in vscode and later by using both whenever I was lacking some features.

After the initial setup phase where things were constantly added and tweaked, LSPs configured and so on I've not made any sweeping changes to the config in the last year and a half. I even changed jobs and languages halfway through and everything remained fairly consistent other than adding the new LSP.

Technical minimalism is a conscious choice, the same exact problem can come from vscode with fifty plugins and conflicting keybindings.

Re: Leaving Neovim for Zed

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Post by mhfs »

Am I the only one scratching my head about how Zed will eventually monetize their business to satisfy the investors behind their $12M investment?

Re: Leaving Neovim for Zed

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Post by Aeolun »

alberth wrote: post #12

I initially loved Zed. But as their focus has shifted to building Collaboration & AI features, and still haven’t yet nailed just being a good/great base editor, its become less useful to me. I still have a lot of hope for Zed. But for the time being, I’ve switched back to my old editor & IDE … and I’ll try Zed again at a much later date.

I don’t follow. The collaboration features have been part of Zed from day one. The recent addition of chat feels more like something the team wanted to use itself, so they never have to leave the editor any more, not a core focus of development.

Really my own issue with Zed is the crummy TS language server integration. Everything else is fantastic.

I would like some form of built in diffing, but for simple conflicts this is fine.

Re: Leaving Neovim for Zed

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Post by Aeolun »

ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #136
alberth wrote: post #12

I initially loved Zed. But as their focus has shifted to building Collaboration & AI features, and still haven’t yet nailed just being a good/great base editor, its become less useful to me. I still have a lot of hope for Zed. But for the time being, I’ve switched back to my old editor & IDE … and I’ll try Zed again at a much later date.

Zed also hastily went to v1. Simple things are missing such as labels to identify where a conpletion It's coming from when there are multiple completions with the same name. Also typescript types which are updated by an external process do not reflect unlike vscode. They are now trying to do collaboration with ai to return money to investors but again nobody wants this. That's why most editing tools should be open so…

Isn’t Zed open source now?

Re: Leaving Neovim for Zed

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Post by robinsonrc »

jdeaton wrote: post #134
Voklen wrote: post #109

For me this feels similar to why I use Helix[1]. I used to use VSCodium and had tried to switch to Vim or Neovim multiple times but didn't manage because of all the plugin configuration to be able to program. Then I saw an HN post about Helix, started it up and it just worked and so haven't used anything else since. I find the Helix keybindings easier to learn because you see what text will be affected by any operati…

Helix has been trying to implement a plugins system for like 2 years that should tell you everything you need to know about its future prospects

In fairness Helix provides a lot of functionality out of the box and features are gradually being added all the time. The lack of plugin system is not a problem for many people, and I’d rather they take their time and get it right. I certainly don’t think it’s the case that they’re “trying” and failing to implement plugins - it’s clearly going to happen when the time is right.

Re: Leaving Neovim for Zed

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Post by Aeolun »

jph00 wrote: post #6
bww wrote: post #5

I’ve also recently switched (largely) from Vim to Zed and I also think that Zed is in many ways great. At the same time it’s been pretty frustrating to use an editor that is spending so much time building AI integrations, REPLs, and so fourth when basic things like cut and paste and common Vim motions still have so many bugs. I’d love to see them prioritize getting the basics solid first.

Yeah I feel the same way. The fact that Zed uses the system clipboard as the default register in vim mode, for instance, made it impossible to use in practice for me -- having every yank replace my clipboard was a bit of a nightmare!

I don’t know. That feels perfectly reasonable for what I imagine is 99% of all developers, so while sad, I can imagine why that use case is not very high on their list of priorities.

Re: Leaving Neovim for Zed

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Post by Aeolun »

icar wrote: post #103

"It just works" is precisely why I use Jetbrains products. I'm amazed they are not that common in many developer communities. They are amazing tools.

They absolutely are the state of the art. At the same time, opening just three or four medium size projects brings the editor to it’s knees on my M3 Max.

I like having many projects open.

Re: Leaving Neovim for Zed

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Post by lwhsiao »

robinsonrc wrote: post #145
jdeaton wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Helix has been trying to implement a plugins system for like 2 years that should tell you everything you need to know about its future prospects

In fairness Helix provides a lot of functionality out of the box and features are gradually being added all the time. The lack of plugin system is not a problem for many people, and I’d rather they take their time and get it right. I certainly don’t think it’s the case that they’re “trying” and failing to implement plugins - it’s clearly going to happen when the time is right.

Big fan of helix and am in this camp. Used to have a bunch of plugins for neovim, but in Helix, honestly just haven't felt the need for anything besides what it comes with. It's a great editor.

Re: Leaving Neovim for Zed

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Post by fastasucan »

RandomThoughts3 wrote: post #40

I’m going to somehow misuse this discussion to ask for the readership help about something: I don’t understand the appeal of VSCode or more exactly I don’t understand the appeal of the text editor propped with plugins to be a semi-IDE so I guess that would also include Neovim with plugins. In my career, I have used text editors including vim which I still very much enjoy and both Eclipse and IntelliJ when I used to c…

As opposed to vim it has a gui, as opposed to eclipse and intellij its language agnostic, as opposed to you they obviously dont find it too slow to be a nice editor, having an inferior ui or miss any of the features.

Contrary to that they may find the ability to shape the editor using extension pretty nice, and doesn't care for having an IDE for every language they use. Its nice being in the same environment no matter what. Also the ability to ssh to another machine to edit and run code with the same experience as it was locally (in a gui) is pretty good.

Every shoe is sub par the wellington/rubber boot experience when it is raining, but you will see that most people do not wear rubber boots. People don't generally like to maximize their choices along one axis, so what can be seen as "sub par" is actually the overall best experience.

Re: Leaving Neovim for Zed

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Post by Aeolun »

suchar wrote: post #102
imron wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me, VSCode is not a great editor. It feels cobbled together and often provides a worse development experience compared to language specific IDE HOWEVER.. It has a killer feature if you are doing remote development. It (mostly seamlessly) presents the remote (ssh, docker, wsl) as if it was local, and I've yet to see another editor do it as well and as cleanly. So much so that when doing remote development I'm prep…

For remote development there is Fleet from JetBrains which is still in preview but mostly works (year ago it had a lot of issues). Nonetheless, it still needs a lot of improvements (rendering performance IME is poor, some functionality is missing in comparison to full-fledged IDEs like IntelliJ) There is also JetBrains Gateway which allows you to run IntelliJ/PyCharm/etc. remotely. I'm using it and it is very usable,…

I kinda lost hope for fleet when it just started loading the intellij core to do all relevant stuff. I wanted that new editor so it would be faster, not so that I can have slightly different chrome.
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