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Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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Post by brendoelfrendo »

talldatethrow wrote: post #108
kmeisthax wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The App Store model was specifically implemented and approved by Steve Jobs. There's old internal e-mails from him complaining about Amazon's reader app making it too easy to buy books without paying the (increasingly literal) Apple Tax. In fact, the reason why antitrust lawsuits seem to never stick to Apple is because all the mens rea was stored in the mind of a guy who tried to cure his pancreatic cancer with fruit…

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I don't know if I would call a guy who created a low-fat vegetarian fad diet that doesn't seem to have a basis in any understanding of nutritional science a "well respected doctor," but sure.

I would argue that whatever good Steve Jobs did by maintaining a healthy lifestyle, he could have done more by also taking good medical advice and treating his cancer.

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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Post by ncr100 »

neilv wrote: post #125

Since at least the 1980s, IT had the concepts of "open systems" and "interoperation", to support market competition and innovation. And we later did things like the Web and other open standards. Then Apple comes along, and uses its market position as a hardware and OS vendor, to make a nonstandard software download thing that could've been a Web site. In parallel, Apple also made open-standards Web apps unattractive…

> I assume many consumers don't understand the situation, and how much of an overbearing abuser of its market position Apple can be.

Here is an awesome graph (scroll down 1 page) charting out the 3 options -- 1 web, and 2 overtly expensive for iOS.

https://support.patreon.com/hc/en-us/articles/27991664769677...

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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Post by borski »

talldatethrow wrote: post #108
kmeisthax wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The App Store model was specifically implemented and approved by Steve Jobs. There's old internal e-mails from him complaining about Amazon's reader app making it too easy to buy books without paying the (increasingly literal) Apple Tax. In fact, the reason why antitrust lawsuits seem to never stick to Apple is because all the mens rea was stored in the mind of a guy who tried to cure his pancreatic cancer with fruit…

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Sure, but toward the end he decided to move away from potentially helpful medical treatments and toward junk science.

Also, this guy is not an oncologist, advocates for a vegan diet that is extremely high in carbs (and fiber, granted), and is thus not exactly a disinterested party presenting good scientific research.

An operation or anything else may not have saved Steve Jobs. But doing nothing and hoping it goes away definitely didn't.

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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Post by stavros »

bkraz wrote: post #80

As a longtime YouTube creator who uses Patreon for financial support, the news is terrible: Patreon informed me that all creators must switch to a monthly subscription schedule instead of the per-creation schedule that I and many other currently use. The whole point of per-creation is that it allows me to take time off, and only charge people when I release something, thus incentivizing me, and being fair to my suppo…

I think the platform you should switch to here is Android. This is Apple's fault, Patreon doesn't seem like it likes the changes any more than you do.

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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Post by danShumway »

dirtsoc wrote: post #39
kllrnohj wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Patreon doesn't currently and doesn't want to us Apple's infrastructure. They're being "forced" to do so, hence this post.

they should have just gone the same route as amazon with ebooks and removed the ability to subscribe in the app.

> Apple has also made clear that if creators on Patreon continue to use unsupported billing models or disable transactions in the iOS app, we will be at risk of having the entire app removed from their App Store.

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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Post by mitthrowaway2 »

balozi wrote: post #96
jprete wrote: post #10

I remember reading that per-creation billing is a very important feature for Patreon creators, because it removes the moral obligation to produce content just to justify a subscription. If Patreon really doesn't want to kill the feature itself, but is just responding to Apple's enforcement, then it seems like a really clear illustration of monopoly power - pushing unrelated markets to change their own structure and p…

Patreon also stands to gain from this change. Come think of it, the new arrangement is a win for everyone involved - except the actual patrons ofcourse.

Fewer patrons is a likely consequence, which would not be a win.

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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Post by jdgoesmarching »

EricE wrote: post #65
GaggiX wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is making sure that it is not easy for Apple users to find out about this fee.

Hardly! The fee has been a hot topic of discussion since day one.

Nobody is discussing this outside of tech and nerd spaces

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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Post by advael »

We need to kill the phone duopoly

A big part of it is restrictive and onerous standards on cellular firmware that act as a compliance moat for Apple and Google (and seem designed to enable surveillance more than anything), but if we fail to get open-source alternatives via commonsense regulatory reform the antitrust guns need to come out. When smartphones are often the only authentication mechanism accepted by major payment providers, workplaces, and other contexts that most people can't opt out of, a (fairly cozy, collaborating as often as they compete) duopoly on viable operating systems is unacceptable

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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Post by [deleted] »

stavros wrote: post #144
bkraz wrote: post #80

As a longtime YouTube creator who uses Patreon for financial support, the news is terrible: Patreon informed me that all creators must switch to a monthly subscription schedule instead of the per-creation schedule that I and many other currently use. The whole point of per-creation is that it allows me to take time off, and only charge people when I release something, thus incentivizing me, and being fair to my suppo…

I think the platform you should switch to here is Android. This is Apple's fault, Patreon doesn't seem like it likes the changes any more than you do.

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