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Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Post by stainablesteel »

VoidWhisperer wrote: post #2

Wow, reddit found a way to make themselves even less useful somehow. After the API fiasco, that seemed like it'd be pretty hard to do.

which is ironic because pre-AI every solid piece of obscure information and non-programming question usually had an answer on reddit, its an extremely valuable dataset looking back. but moving forward i think its only going to become less valuable and people will probably manually/custom-scrape all the questions out of worthwhile subreddits and open up their data for free

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Post by Suppafly »

rob74 wrote: post #46
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or for Google to buy it. They could monetize it much better while being less annoying. Ultimately - Google is getting everything they want from Reddit with this deal without having to buy it outright. Short of Reddit transforming to an entirely different product (difficult) - I'm not sure where the major growth opportunity is for it.

It wouldn't be the first time they have done something like this either. Remember https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Groups ?

>Remember https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Groups

It'd be somewhat hilarious if google bought reddit just to archive it and shut it down.

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

jonpurdy wrote: post #64
PaulRobinson wrote: post #31

This is great. It means I won't see Reddit content popping up all over search results in other engines. Can Medium do the same? And perhaps Quora?

FYI, Kagi lets you do this and personalize it as you desire. They even share aggregated stats※ about which domains users choose to block/lower. (Mine generally match these stats.) ※ - https://kagi.com/stats?stat=leaderboard&k=-2

> Kagi lets you do this and personalize it as you desire.

Kagi shill here. Are they finally applying filters and operands to image searches?

Asking because it was a tough year seeing Pinterest as top filter choice and top result in images (when set as filter=block).

(edit: I just tried searching->image: beautiful quilt patterns. I didn't spot any Pinterest results!)

I have never understood why DDG, etc steadfastly refuse to obey operands in image searches. Most days. Every blue moon operands seem to work. I think.

sidebar: Yesterday I saw Yandex obey quotes in a web search. It was the 1st time I've seen that.

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Post by Suppafly »

ColinHayhurst wrote: post #65
rozab wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Basically all 'independent' search engines piggyback off Google or Bing https://help.kagi.com/kagi/search-details/search-sources.htm... >Our search results also include anonymized API calls to all major search result providers worldwide

>Basically all 'independent' search engines piggyback off Google or Bing Incorrect: https://www.mojeek.com/about/why-mojeek

weird, I've never heard of mojeek before and this is the 2nd comment in this thread I've seen mentioning it.

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Post by toomuchtodo »

wuiheerfoj wrote: post #132
jasode wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>But, apparently, they did finally find a way to make money. The most recent 10-K financial results 2024-03-31 (filed 2024-05-08) shows they actually lost money: https://www.sec.gov/edgar/browse/?CIK=1713445 (For 2024-Q1, Reddit lost -$575 million on revenue of $242 M.) If the quoted "$60 million deal" [1] from Feb 2024 is accurate, that small amount from Google may not be enough for Reddit to turn a profit. It remai…

Wow, perhaps I’m naive but what the hell are they spending over $800M a year on? That seems an obscene amount for a glorified message board. I just read they have 2000 employees which is also puzzling to me

They were a public good currently larping as a for profit concern now run by a vanity and wealth driven executive driving it into the ground while it flails to monetize when that is likely incompatible with the entity.

Compare and contrast to say, HN, run on two servers in a colo with less than a handful of mods.

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Post by tempfile »

semiquaver wrote: post #62
tempfile wrote: post #51

Hopefully this paves the way for antitrust action, but I won't hold my breath. Reddit's justification for this is profoundly wrong. Their "public content policy" is absurd doublespeak, and counter to everything the open internet is and hopes to be. You cannot simultaneously call yourself "open" and "public" while refusing access to automated clients. Every client is automated. They even go so far as to say that "craw…

Sorry, what is the antitrust concern about Reddit blocking crawlers that aren’t paying them? Surely you don’t think Reddit has a monopoly on anything? Or are you somehow suggesting that it’s google’s fault that Reddit took this step? I don’t see any indication that’s the case.

Yes, sorry, should have been more clear: I claim google is in a monopoly position, not reddit. The rest of the comment is unrelated ranting about reddit's betrayal of their previously-held "public data is public" position.

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Post by wtf242 »

This problem is only going to get worse. for my thegreatestbooks.org site i used to just get indexed/scraped by google and bing. now it's like 50+ AI bots scraping my entire site just so they can train a LLM to answer questions my site answers without having a user ever visit my site. I just checked cloudflare and in the past 24 hours I've had 1.2 million bot/automated requests
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