This plus low fertility rates paint a bleak demographic picture. What happens to a country whose population collapses? I don't think we have past data to reference here?
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10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023
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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023
#142It's interesting reading the opinions in the comments on this thread. As a non-US person, I don't have a strong opinion on Cuba. I'd like to visit someday but don't know much about it other than the headlines. Reading the comments here it sounds like a pariah state on the level of North Korea. With 1m people leaving in a year, it clearly has its issues - but lots of the comments here are a good example of how your co…
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#143The problem commonly skated over is that two views cam be true at once. For example: - the "Batista" regime was dictatorial and repressive. The people fought back with Castro. The first wave of people to land in Miami were essentially the moneyed class who lost everything. Unsurprisingly they hate the Castro regime and its descendents. The US government were happy to accommodate them under the guise of anti communism…
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#144Again and again I've been arguing for access to information. Let Cuba land an underwater cable in Miami. Ever since I was young I was fed this line 'Glasnost helped accelerate the collapse of the Soviet Union, people wanted things their government wouldn't give them... free access to information not filtered by their government', but the US argues for some reason that Cubans can't have this. Is it fear of an even big…
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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023
#145It's interesting reading the opinions in the comments on this thread. As a non-US person, I don't have a strong opinion on Cuba. I'd like to visit someday but don't know much about it other than the headlines. Reading the comments here it sounds like a pariah state on the level of North Korea. With 1m people leaving in a year, it clearly has its issues - but lots of the comments here are a good example of how your co…
> With 1m people leaving in a year, it clearly has its issues - but lots of the comments here are a good example of how your country's media and propaganda can significantly colour your opinions. What? 10% of a country leaving in one year tells you what Cubans think of Cuba. That's not propaganda, that's fact. On the contrary, it seems like you have some kind of preconceived notion of that life in Cuba is in fact not…
Things are not so simple as Cuba bad, USA good. Wage differentials easily explain why so many come to the USA. Maybe they like Cuba but cannot come for better wages. Cuba has its problems, but definitely the USA/cia is targeting the regime with negative publicity. Who knows maybe you work at a cia troll farm.
Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023
#146Cuba's economy is not doing well because of the illegitimate and illegal US embargo. End the blockade. Take Cuba off the completely farcical State Sponsors of Terror list. Let Cuba live! Cuba developed its own COVID vaccine but couldn't give it to its own people because they could not buy metal for syringes. Its fucking crazy.
> illegitimate and illegal US embargo Illegitimate and illegal according to what authority? Unless you believe in God, there is no higher authority than the US government and its military might.
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Cuban-Americans telling us what Cuba is like sounds ok to me. From what I've heard, they hate Socialists.
How much is that a selection bias (they are the ones that left and went to the US after all)
Definitely selection bias but well-founded.
The unmotivated masses tend to follow the de-facto system that entrenches the successful few. The remaining motivated and competitive people on the other hand leave for better pastures.
People who emigrate from countries whose governments micromanage the population tend to have the worst opinion about them. Not that dissimilar from people who ditch bosses who micromanage =).
Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023
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Do you own anything of value? What about your family? Now let's try practicing some empathy: How would you feel if I just took that from you?
In this scenario, should everyone born in the same city as you be punished for your crimes?
This is foundational to American legal system in many cases. If your local cops for instance unjustly beat say Cubans and get sued for it the inhabitants will pay and possibly even their children through debt.
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The UN, UK, and EU have no sanctions imposed on Cuba [1]. Why has no other country prevented Cuba from "starving to death?" Honest question. Is the United States so powerful that our trade is the only thing keeping countries alive? [1] https://globalsanctions.co.uk/region/cuba/
Secondary sanctions. If your company trades with Cuba, then companies that want to trade with the US also violate the sanctions by trading with you. So even something as basic as opening a bank account in such circumstances isn't possible, as no bank will cut themselves off from the entire worldwide banking system just to provide you an account.
It's a complex issue, for sure, and I admit to not being well informed. I did a quick search, and Biden's administration allowed Cubans to open accounts with U.S. banks, but the Cuban government does not like giving up control. Cuba passed laws "forcing businesses to use Cuban banks for payment" [1].
[1] https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas...
Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023
#150I wonder what a sensible way forward for Cubans is, and their government. What would it take for the US to lift sanctions (I assume a radical shift within Cuba's government), and for Cuba itself (as a whole) to restructure their government in a way that would benefit them and everyone. Cuba would be a great travel destination. Their cigars aren't as on par anymore as far as I know, but there's potential there, Nicara…
> Cuba would be a great travel destination. It's been a while since I visited places outside the US, but one of the shocking things was travel ads for Cuba everywhere. From what I can tell, US-Cuban relations seem to be at the whim of the US President. Most of the US population doesn't care; most of the rest of the world has fine relations with Cuba, but isn't going to pressure the US. Nobody is sending missiles to C…
It's not just the President. Some aspects of US-Cuban relations are written into federal law and would take an Act of Congress to change.
As a practical matter, Americans can travel to Cuba without much trouble. Several of my friends have gone.