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Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Post by resurge »

janandonly wrote: post #80

Haven't we seen a post about Ladybird just last week already? Or am i confusing my independent broswers now?

I checked my RSS history because I was thinking the same. (My rss feed only contains posts that get popular on HN, there might be more posts in reality)

- This post

- Yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40845951

- 2 weeks ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40746804

- 4 weeks ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40560768

Anyway, I don't mind that much. I hope they succeed.

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Post by aquova »

FireInsight wrote: post #114

I think people in this comment section are too harsh on the website. I think the design is pleasing and functional, and the project is communicated about clearly. The AI laptop is a bit of a shame, and the logo being bland instead of clever is a bummer, though. But plenty of products have a similar front page style, and it doesnt make me feel like it's a soulless startup.

I agree, after reading the comments, I was expecting a complete monstrosity, but it's a simple, informative website. That style of website design is used because it's appealing and easy to parse. I'm not sure what people were expecting.

I must admit I'm not crazy about the logo though. It's fine at the top of a page, but I cant see it as my browser icon on my desktop, and it's much less appealing and identifiable than the old Ladybird.

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Post by criddell »

ykonstant wrote: post #105
criddell wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Relying on open standards is risky. It seems to me the de facto standard is whatever Chrome or Blink does.

That's the unique value proposition of Ladybird. It uses the open standards as the jumping point, investigates and de facto documents the divergence of modern browsers from them. It is a precious and important work.

How is knowing where the published standards diverge from de facto standards precious and important work? You say that's where the value is, but the subset of people and organizations who would pay for that (if it's valuable, people will pay, right?) has to be pretty small.

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Post by awesomekling »

wwwwwwwweb wrote: post #52
awesomekling wrote: post #5

Hello friends, Ladybird founder here! Here's a short video from Chris Wanstrath announcing our non-profit yesterday, and kicking things off with a $1M donation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9edTqPMX_k Happy to answer questions :)

> we have almost half a million lines of modern C++ to maintain. ...We are actively evaluating a number of alternatives and will be adding a mature successor language to the project in the near future. This process is already quite far along, and prototypes exist in multiple languages. What languages have prototypes and where can I learn more?

We have not been debating this publicly as it has a 100% chance of devolving into a bikeshed discussion :)

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Post by pkphilip »

awesomekling wrote: post #5

Hello friends, Ladybird founder here! Here's a short video from Chris Wanstrath announcing our non-profit yesterday, and kicking things off with a $1M donation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9edTqPMX_k Happy to answer questions :)

Andreas, this is awesome :)!

But please do consider putting up some screenshots of the browser - including how it renders the popular sites.

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Post by stephen_g »

networked wrote: post #102
awesomekling wrote: post #5

Hello friends, Ladybird founder here! Here's a short video from Chris Wanstrath announcing our non-profit yesterday, and kicking things off with a $1M donation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9edTqPMX_k Happy to answer questions :)

I have two questions, if you don't mind. 1. Legacy hardware support. Is it a goal for Ladybird to build for 32-bit and big-endian CPUs out of the repository? 2. Electron. Do you have any plans to work on an Electron alternative based on Ladybird further down the line? No free Electron alternative other than Sciter seems to use the same browser engine on all platforms. There may be value in one that implements the lat…

Maybe item (2) is more up Servo’s alley than what Ladybird is trying to do? Servo seem to be focusing on making an embeddable engine, Ladybird is intended to be a full browser…

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Post by marvinborner »

hipinspire wrote: post #85

It is a great honor to see a website I designed and coded at the top of the Hacker News front page! A big thank you to Chris Wanstrath for allowing me to work on it. I hope Ladybird becomes a mainstream browser, and I feel this is a moment similar to when Firefox rebranded from Phoenix. P.S. Check out my UI/UX portfolio at https://hipfolio.co

It's really rare to see websites that look modern while still being very minimal and fast. No JS, no frameworks - great job!

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Post by endgame »

F3nd0 wrote: post #38
awesomekling wrote: post #5

Hello friends, Ladybird founder here! Here's a short video from Chris Wanstrath announcing our non-profit yesterday, and kicking things off with a $1M donation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9edTqPMX_k Happy to answer questions :)

Congratulations on the kick-off! Now that Ladybird is no longer a part of SerenityOS, will you consider a switch to a licence which not only grants, but also protects user freedoms (e.g. the GPL, MPL, EUPL)? Also, any thoughts on having official communication channels on some open, freedom-respecting platforms, rather than Discord only?

This seems very important given how KHTML lead to the current near-monoculture in the browser space.

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Post by eitland »

ecef9-8c0f-4374 wrote: post #129
dataflow wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There are currently no plans to switch to a less permissive license. Hey, just a reality check: in the event that you actually do become wildly successful, this means that others (Google, Microsoft, etc.) will be able to fork the browser and then develop it faster than you - thus leaving you behind and taking away your users ! Would highly recommend leaving yourself some mechanism to prevent that, unless you're rea…

KHTML was the basis for Chrome and Safari. A valid concern

Chrome in itself is not the problem. Competition is good. Firefox is better now thanks to Chrome.

Neither is Safari. Safari is actually part of the solution. Safari has saved Firefox and other browsers by being the only option on iOS for a long time and a better choice for many (because of battery usage) on Mac OS. Without Safari I am afraid we would all be locked into Chrome now.

The problem is that Google, like Microsoft before them,

1. used their dominant position in one market to force their way into dominating another market,

2. used various underhanded tactics to make users think Chrome were better while in reality it was just given better treatment by their backend servers and also the Googles frontend devs[1]

3. and that unlike Microsoft they still haven't got a multi billion fine for it and haven't been forced to advertise alternative browsers for months.

[1]: see various bugs[2] in everything from the core of the Angular framework to Google Calendar to YouTube

[2]: yes, I am generous enough to consider them bugs. I am fairly certain though that bugs that doesn't affect Chrome aren't exactly considered top priority.

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Post by awesomekling »

abrookewood wrote: post #78
awesomekling wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It depends on what you mean by “Mozilla’s fate”. In general, we are setting a much narrower goal than Mozilla and hope that focusing on only browsers will allow us to keep things simple and more sustainable financially. :)

Unless you are planning to live off the interest from your donations, how will this be possible?

With a simple two-part strategy:

1. We keep the team small enough that there's always at least 1.5 years of runway in the bank.

2. We continue fundraising actively.

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