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Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by bitwize »

chatmasta wrote: post #130
perihelions wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We broke major safety rules doing the opposite. Carrying various steel tanks up stairs that were way too heavy for two, under-gymed, college students, one step at a time, resting the tank on every step while half of it cantilevered over the edge, as we hand-stabilized it... I wanted to avoid thinking about that failure mode where you accidentally cleave some part of the gas regulator by damaging it, and that turns th…

There’s a recent video game called “The Finals” where you can throw these steel tanks and the physics works basically as you describe.

The Finals is nuts and sports one of the most advanced game engines out there right now. Fine-grained, server side destruction physics that's synced perfectly to everyone's client so everybody sees the building crumble in exactly the same way.

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by BeFlatXIII »

perihelions wrote: post #105
abirch wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comment reminded me of college when they taught us: you don't ride in an elevator with a nitrogen tank because it can displace the oxygen in seconds.

We broke major safety rules doing the opposite. Carrying various steel tanks up stairs that were way too heavy for two, under-gymed, college students, one step at a time, resting the tank on every step while half of it cantilevered over the edge, as we hand-stabilized it... I wanted to avoid thinking about that failure mode where you accidentally cleave some part of the gas regulator by damaging it, and that turns th…

Isn't that why you screw on the protective caps before moving tanks around?

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by racional »

rabite wrote: post #139
racional wrote: post #129

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At any given time, he was doing what was prudent for his country By which you must mean his issuing the Act of Restoration of the Ukrainian State, which famously states: 3. The newly formed Ukrainian state will work closely with the National-Socialist Greater Germany, under the leadership of its leader Adolf Hitler which is forming a new order in Europe and the world and is helping the Ukrainian People to free itself…

Yes, absolutely, the Soviet Union and its Secret Police were an active threat to Ukrainians every day. Adolf Hitler was not. Though Bandera did work with the Nazis, he later worked against them. They weren't ideologically into Nazism. Even Karaite Jews in Ukraine joined SS regiments at some points. They didn't love Hitler, everyone knew Hitler was a stinker. They were just more immediately concerned with the immediat…

They weren't ideologically into Nazism.

The point is -- he was a willing collaborator. And you went out of your way to describe his actions as "at any given time, prudent for his country".

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by Zenzero »

cannonpr wrote: post #92

I find a lot of these casual drug use articles to be a bit naive on safety. “It does not cause metabolites or react” well it obviously modifies several biochemical processes in order to have an effect, who knows what long term effects it has on your brains computation. Our understanding of the biochemical interactions of various systems is still exceedingly immature. It’s best to say that from a safety perspective it…

That's exactly what I was going to bring up with this. As a doctor I just chuckled when it got to here

> Xenon is considered “the perfect anesthetic” for 5 reasons:

> It’s extremely fast-acting — xenon gas kicks into full effect within seconds

> It wears off quickly — once the gas is removed, normal consciousness comes back within a minute or two

> It doesn’t interact with other drugs

> It leaves no lasting side effects or toxicity

> The anesthetic state xenon induces is extraordinarily powerful

The vast majority of drug incompatibilities are not a result of the physical interactions between the molecules. It's the undesirable effects that they exert in tandem on physiology. A vasodilator and a negative inotrope don't have to chemically react with each other to give a patient a very bad time.

I will acknowledge that xenon does appear to have interesting effects, but nobody should be base their health and safety on what the author has written. Their analysis on its safety is far far far too superficial to be worth anything.

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by rabite »

racional wrote: post #143
rabite wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, absolutely, the Soviet Union and its Secret Police were an active threat to Ukrainians every day. Adolf Hitler was not. Though Bandera did work with the Nazis, he later worked against them. They weren't ideologically into Nazism. Even Karaite Jews in Ukraine joined SS regiments at some points. They didn't love Hitler, everyone knew Hitler was a stinker. They were just more immediately concerned with the immediat…

They weren't ideologically into Nazism. The point is -- he was a willing collaborator. And you went out of your way to describe his actions as "at any given time, prudent for his country".

Yes. It was prudent to do anything to save Ukraine. Absolutely. If you love your country you'd deal with the devil himself to save it from what Russia was doing.

10 million people died in Genrikh Yagoda's torture chambers. Another 5 million starved to death in the holodomor.

Hitler was bad, sure, but only a third as bad as the Bolsheviks. And about half of those 15 million deaths happened in Ukraine, and Bandera's fiduciary duty was to fellow Ukrainians, not to some foreign nation. If you had to pick a side (and Bandera did) it was best to go with Hitler.

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by david-gpu »

perihelions wrote: post #105
abirch wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comment reminded me of college when they taught us: you don't ride in an elevator with a nitrogen tank because it can displace the oxygen in seconds.

We broke major safety rules doing the opposite. Carrying various steel tanks up stairs that were way too heavy for two, under-gymed, college students, one step at a time, resting the tank on every step while half of it cantilevered over the edge, as we hand-stabilized it... I wanted to avoid thinking about that failure mode where you accidentally cleave some part of the gas regulator by damaging it, and that turns th…

> they showed us the correct method. It was simply to send the tank up in the elevator unattended—one undergrad pushing the "up" button and stepping out, the other waiting for it on the destination floor. Stupidly simple.

That works great until somebody in an intermediate floor enters the elevator oblivious to the risk and suffocates.

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by racional »

rabite wrote: post #145
racional wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They weren't ideologically into Nazism. The point is -- he was a willing collaborator. And you went out of your way to describe his actions as "at any given time, prudent for his country".

Yes. It was prudent to do anything to save Ukraine. Absolutely. If you love your country you'd deal with the devil himself to save it from what Russia was doing. 10 million people died in Genrikh Yagoda's torture chambers. Another 5 million starved to death in the holodomor. Hitler was bad, sure, but only a third as bad as the Bolsheviks. And about half of those 15 million deaths happened in Ukraine, and Bandera's fi…

It was prudent to do anything to save Ukraine.

Including allowing the Germans to run the Final Solution on your territory.

And please, don't tell us he didn't know what was in store for Ukraine's Jewish population. By the late 1930s, everyone knew what was up.

You're really very naive with these justifications you're making here. Like Bandera himself.

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by klyrs »

Tabular-Iceberg wrote: post #87
mschuster91 wrote: post #84

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> Why don’t recreational nitrous users mix in some oxygen like medical users do? Because they don't know better. It's not like we teach "safe consumption" in schools, and so most (particularly young) consumers of all possible kinds of drugs end up with cargo-culted consumption methods. Yes, Erowid etc. exist, but you need to know about that as well. The correct thing to do would be to have "drug ed" similar to sex ed…

I get that, but for these pop-up shops selling to partygoers out of large tanks it seems like very little extra effort and expense for a dramatically improved user experience. Market forces alone should be enough to incentivize adding oxygen.

Next you're going to expect them to use gases that are sourced for human consumption. But this is a gray market. Nitrous isn't meant to be used this way; so a gas supplier won't want to sell the healthier alternative for fear of getting caught knowingly selling it as a drug.

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by BizarroLand »

cess11 wrote: post #133
golergka wrote: post #127

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If you mean to use it for space travel, may be xenon being an anaesthetic is a feature, not a bug?

It's a potent dissociative, you'll black out before you reach concentrations required for this purpose.

I suppose that if we ever develop some sort of hypersleep/suspended animation or whatever we want to call it then being dissociated by a noble gas before the system kicks in might be a good idea.
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