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Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by metalspoon »

dan-robertson wrote: post #98
whalesalad wrote: post #2

Seems like every 48-72 hours now Microsoft announces yet another extremely compelling reason to abandon their platform for Linux.

Which do you think is the bigger risk to ordinary users? - someone hacks into Microsoft and accesses their files from onedrive (for passwords/blackmail-info I guess?) - Microsoft looks at their files in onedrive and does something bad (not sure what) - someone hacks into their computer and accesses their files. Or someone does so by causing the user to download something bad - the user’s ssd fails or is corrupted bec…

I put my genital images in my Windows so that if they leak it I can get compensation and become a millionaire.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by dan-robertson »

smolder wrote: post #107
dan-robertson wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which do you think is the bigger risk to ordinary users? - someone hacks into Microsoft and accesses their files from onedrive (for passwords/blackmail-info I guess?) - Microsoft looks at their files in onedrive and does something bad (not sure what) - someone hacks into their computer and accesses their files. Or someone does so by causing the user to download something bad - the user’s ssd fails or is corrupted bec…

There's no justification here for turning the feature on for users who have already explicitly chosen not to use it, or for not presenting them with the choice.

I mean, the person who caused windows to behave this way surely had some justification, even if it was self-serving. I think a choice would be better but I also think that being on is a reasonable default for users.

I don’t understand the point about users explicitly opting out (and that being switched?). I would chalk such a thing down to the kind of big company systematic nefariousness you get (no one needs to say ‘make it ignore the opt out’, they just implement a default wrong and don’t notice/fix/investigate the bug because KPIs increase)

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by suby »

gear54rus wrote: post #122
suby wrote: post #101

This happened to me. I was wondering why my internet speeds were slow when I discovered that Microsoft was in the process of uploading my users directory, they had already uploaded almost two gigs when I realized. They also changed the path to these directories to something like C:\Users\name\OneDrive\Desktop\. Another poster in this thread claimed it's easy to reverse -- I disagree, it's a pain in the ass to track d…

Did you login with ms account? if so, why? I don't think it can upload if you aren't logged in.

They go out of their way to make this difficult. I tried disconnecting my internet while installing, but they're apparently wise to that because the option which internet articles claim is there is no longer there. I think there's probably a console dropdown you can bring up when installing to get a local account, but I've decided against fighting the OS. It's so user hostile that it's not worth it to try to turn it into something I like.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by amanzi »

Bilal_io wrote: post #62
amanzi wrote: post #50

I'm all for hating on Microsoft for their continued destruction of the local Windows 11 experience, but I actually think this is a good decision. Assuming you're logging in with a Microsoft account, and assuming you have a OneDrive account, it's a better experience to set up the folder backup feature as early as possible in the set-up process. If you really don't want it, it's easy to undo. I still don't like being f…

> Assuming you're logging in with a Microsoft account The whole issue lies within this assumption. Microsoft does not want you to use a local account, and they make it extremely difficult to setup your Windows machine without one.

Yep - I agree with that. I set up a Windows 11 machine recently and was still able to create a local account. I'm sure there will be ways to defeat the new requirement. I haven't tried this, but even if they forced a Microsoft account during set up, couldn't you just create a local admin account once logged in, then log in with that account and delete the first profile?

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by temac »

spacebanana7 wrote: post #76
cjk2 wrote: post #16

Why the hell aren't the EU and the FTC suing the shit out of them for bundling, telemetry, lock in, gouging, shitty defaults?

Sadly I think the enthusiasm with which the market embraced this behaviour in mobile, console and IoT makes it legally difficult for Microsoft to be punished. How can you penalise Microsoft for pushing OneDrive by default but not penalise Apple for iCloud? Should multiple backup providers be suggested at startup for economic fairness? Or should backups be disabled by default (potentially annoying consumers of mobile…

It seems completely illegal for MS to do that on EU computers, esp. with Schrems (but probably even completely illegal with just GDPR)

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by II2II »

suby wrote: post #101

This happened to me. I was wondering why my internet speeds were slow when I discovered that Microsoft was in the process of uploading my users directory, they had already uploaded almost two gigs when I realized. They also changed the path to these directories to something like C:\Users\name\OneDrive\Desktop\. Another poster in this thread claimed it's easy to reverse -- I disagree, it's a pain in the ass to track d…

> I understand Microsoft has built up good will through efforts like VS Code, but it's all undone because of things like this.

Someone in Microsoft should look into who is making these decisions, why these decisions are are being made, and why they are being received so negatively. Then they need to address them.

Even though I'm not much of a fan of Microsoft products, I get the impression that they have some excellent developers making excellent products that end up being undermined by business decisions. These are decisions that will probably end up undermining the business itself. We don't live in the 1990's anymore. Microsoft has plenty of competitors who are nibbling away at their edges.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by branon »

skeeter2020 wrote: post #109
IshKebab wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows 10 is very solid. I'm going to assume it will get updates for about as long as Windows XP did... I'll re-evaluate when they actually EoL it. Who knows, maybe that will be the year of the Linux desktop! (Spoilers: no.)

Next October (2025) is the end of the road, because my desktop can't be upgraded to Win11 and they tell me that about once a month.

October 2025 is EOL for 22H2, but 1809 LTSC is supported until 2029.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by BoredPositron »

Syonyk wrote: post #43
cjk2 wrote: post #16

Why the hell aren't the EU and the FTC suing the shit out of them for bundling, telemetry, lock in, gouging, shitty defaults?

"It looks like you're considering investigating Microsoft! I've loaded 500 free crystals into Candy Forgecraft Extreme and launched it for you! Just play one level..." I have no idea why the EU isn't going after Microsoft with a heavy club for all the crap they're pulling lately.

The last time, they built a new physical (lol) office and convinced an entire state to abandon their custom Linux setup and switch back to Office 365. Looking at you Bavaria...

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by utensil4778 »

Dalewyn wrote: post #57
Syonyk wrote: post #24

I'm not the target market for Windows, haven't been for a while. But I genuinely cannot figure out what Microsoft's vision for Windows 11 is. Or if they even have one beyond "idk, shove crap in, meet OKR, get promotion... maybe?" For a while, it seemed like they were focused on making sure that they could link as much of your activity on your computer to you, as a person - witness the ever-increasing challenge of an…

>But I genuinely cannot figure out what Microsoft's vision for Windows 11 is. An operating system for the common man (and hopefully a subscription revenue inlet). We need to acknowledge that cloud backups are a good thing for most people , we're talking people who otherwise never take backups no matter what and then cry when they inevitably lose their data. The only problems here are OneDrive is absolute roasted garb…

I run a cloud backup service. Cloud backups are good for you, the user.

Therefore, I have the right and moral obligation to break into your computer and upload all of your data to my own servers without your knowledge or consent.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by lolinder »

gear54rus wrote: post #138
lolinder wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> if so, why? Have you tried installing Windows 11 without signing in to a Microsoft account? It's very difficult to do and the instructions online keep having to change as Microsoft makes it more and more difficult. What I'm finding now [0] involves using a hotkey to open command prompt at a certain part of the installation process and running a command to disable the internet before you proceed. [0] https://www.tom…

I guess mine just came pre-installed without that. But my point still stands, just don't interact with the crap and you're still somewhat safer.

> just don't interact with the crap and you're still somewhat safer

You're not wrong, but your initial comment made it sound like it was just a matter of not stepping in a single pile of dog poo. What Microsoft presents users with instead is an entire sewer with a great big EXIT sign pointing straight through the sewage. If you're in the know you can mutter a secret incantation and a ladder will drop down, allowing you to climb up onto a rickety catwalk with lots of warning signs telling you that you're going the wrong way. If you're brave enough to ignore the warning signs then eventually you'll get to the other side without touching the crap.

Needless to say, most people follow the path that Microsoft designed for them and end up interacting with at least some of the crap.

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