I tried, but got back answers like "in this security climate? that sounds like a good idea". I've just finished setting up Matrix, I'm tired of this.
EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday
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Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday
#142The "EU" is not "greenlighting" that proposal this week. The Council of the EU will vote on their negotiation stance, which is merely one step in the legislative process, after which the Commission (which is pro-scanning) and the parliament (which is broadly against it) will get involved.
For context for non EU people:
> As the commission is the executive branch, candidates are chosen individually by the 27 national governments. Within the EU, the legitimacy of the commission is mainly drawn from the vote of approval that is required from the European Parliament, along with its power to dismiss the body.
So, the part of the EU appointed by member governments is the part driving this. The EU (as often) is being used here as a scapegoat for anti-democratic policies desired by national governments.
Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday
#143I'm not specifically talking about tfa, but I defo feel less enthused about net neutrality and such these days.. For a few reasons. 1. Internet is bad now In the 80's a new and truly utopian vision of personal computers, the internet, the web, was actually realised. But since then it's been taken over by monster corporations, the net has simply gone through the same process as systems before it (telegraph, telephone,…
It's not one or the other. No fundamental law states that the internet must be controlled by either powerful corporations or powerful governments. If governments did their job and enforced anti-trust and other consumer protection laws then neither would be the case.
I am thinking that wanting to fix the net might be living in the past. We'll never return to the old utopia. Like no effort ever fixed the previous systems of telegraph, telephone, radio, and tv, we just made new disruptive systems that ignored the old busted systems and created their own new one. Maybe the hackers of today should be focused on something like that instead of fighting a lost cause.
Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday
#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
The loop is intentional though. You need political will to pass laws like these so you have to create crises for it. But as you say its a self sustaining cycle and the end result will be fully automated repression. The old arguments of "Oh well the policemen have families too" will go away once drones can enforce your dictatorship
> The loop is intentional though Of course, but it's also a consequence of being rich countries. Nobody wants to actually be a cop anymore, after studying for years to get a degree and finally get a cop's salary, and I understand them. The good news is that unless you are Japanese living in a dystopian anime, automated (kawaiiii) drone repression will never work in practice. https://theglorioblog.com/wp-content/uploa…
Over here in NLD they dont make them study. They mostly hire morons and give them a course so stupid a above average intelligent person could pass the exam within a month. And it shows on the streets. ( They even taser unarmed elderly on a mobility device and no one bats an eye ) Nobody wants to work for a corrupt and imbecile organisation.
Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday
#145Has anyone in power thought through the scale of this? Even if it has a frankly exceptional error rate of just 0.001%, that still means tens of thousands of innocent Europeans will have their lives ruined every day. And, assuming there's a human in the loop, who are we going to traumatize to check The Machine's work? Is it going to be Kenyans again^, or Eastern Europeans this time? ^ https://theguardian.com/technolog…
Life ruined as in being flagged and investigated? Or as in, you sent some medical pics of your son's crotch to the dokter and some sicko on the scanning program looks at that photo and spreads it in his network?
Both I guess...
Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday
#146I'm not specifically talking about tfa, but I defo feel less enthused about net neutrality and such these days.. For a few reasons. 1. Internet is bad now In the 80's a new and truly utopian vision of personal computers, the internet, the web, was actually realised. But since then it's been taken over by monster corporations, the net has simply gone through the same process as systems before it (telegraph, telephone,…
all of this will not be solved by this law. In fact it'll make internet worse. Having a backdoor opens possibilities for hackers/third parties to try to circumvent it and gain access to the data (while with e2ee it's much much harder). Big players/corpos can alter the system in a way so that not only govs will have access to this data and to share it with 3'rd parties to enhance the ads business. Also - govs will get huge power with this law and in case some country/group of countries will get ppl like orban/putin in power - consequences may be drastic since nothing will stop them to abuse their power
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But why would you vote for other (far right) authoritarians? There are other political parties against authoritarianism (such as chat control), like the liberal Renew Europe or Volt.
>But why would you vote for other (far right) authoritarians?
OP implies he wouldn't, but that regular voters would: most voters don't think things through that much, so when they get mad about some issue, they'll vote against whoever they think is to blame for it.
Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday
#148I'm going to be the controversial one here and just claim that more harm is currently done by unrestricted social media than any privacy invasions. Predators have free reign to do whatever they wish anonymously and get away with it. I don't want a dystopian big brother watching over my back, but that's where we are going if somebody doesn't come up with alternatives to control the abuse. I would personally vote for g…
thing is, this chat control will not help. Criminals will use illegal tools while all the rest of the population will be subject to gov investigation (including monitoring political adversaries). And that's one thing - if the system is wrongly implemented, this backdoor could be accessed by 3'rd parties/hackers and at that point it would be a clown show. Unrestricted social media is another problem that should be sol…
It will help. Just as any system that has trade-offs. So much of human existence would be much simpler and happier if we didn't have to build systems to control crime and bad behavior.
Is it a system I want? No. I think there are better options. Do I see people in this thread proposing any better options? No. So the default seems to be Orwellian as everyone is too dismissive, arrogant and lazy.
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this is not a socialist decision. In fact, this is a decision that benefits big corpos and certain substrate of ppl that want to stay in power (while socialism means that decisions should benefit general population)
Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday
#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
Add on top of that bullshit, the new plastic caps that the EU imposed instead of doing a refundable deposit per [bottle/cap pair].
I'm sorry, are you talking about the plastic caps that stay attached to plastic bottles so that they are more likely to be disposed of properly rather than end up in some marine (or other nature) environment? I cannot believe you're comparing that (an effort designed to make recycling more effective, which is generally a good thing) to EU citizens entirely losing our access to privacy in the digital world.
How exactly do bottle caps in the EU end up in marine environments? And if they do that should be pretty easy to fix.
These regulations won’t do anything to stop countries in Asia, Africa and other places from pumping their garbage into rivers and oceans…
To be fair I don’t really mind the bottle caps (unlike the plastic straw ban) but it hardly accomplishes anything beautiful allowing people in the EU to feel better about themselves because they are doing their part (which is possibly actually counterproductive).