I have FSD v12 and for my drives, in my part of the country, I have to do a mild safety intervention maybe once a week (like, getting closer to another car than I'm comfortable with) sorry other people are having different experiences, but FSD is a significant quality of life improvement for me. Nothing is nicer than getting in the car after a long day and letting it chauffeur me home. (yes I still pay attention)
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#142How does Tesla FSD fair against the Waymo self driving taxis? I'm curious about whether self driving is still an impossible task right now, or if it's just a matter of quality between companies - in which case it's possibly a fair bet being made by Telsa execs that they'll bridge the gap given time and money.
The Waymo cars drive themselves without (in person) supervision. As best as I can tell from three rides, they do it perfectly. However the range is limited to city streets in a few cities, no interstates at all (they are adding this soon.) The Tesla FSD even at v12 can go about five minutes before I have to intervene. If you’re extremely tolerant and don’t care what other drivers think (eg weird slow behavior at stop…
I drove in a Tesla with FSD 12.4 3 times and it was perfect.
it doesn’t mean anything.
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#143Earlier quoted context omitted.
But "works in limited cases" is absolutely not enough, given what it promises. It drove into static objects a couple of times, killing people. Recent videos still show behavior like speeding through stop signs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGOo06xzCeU&t=990s Meaning that it's really not reliable enough to take your hands off the wheel. Waymo shows that it is possible, with today's technology, to do much much bette…
> Meaning that it's really not reliable enough to take your hands off the wheel. Soooo just like ChatGPT then? As the parent comment said.
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#144I have FSD v12 and for my drives, in my part of the country, I have to do a mild safety intervention maybe once a week (like, getting closer to another car than I'm comfortable with) sorry other people are having different experiences, but FSD is a significant quality of life improvement for me. Nothing is nicer than getting in the car after a long day and letting it chauffeur me home. (yes I still pay attention)
Nothing beats standing up after my day’s ended and walking to the living room ;)
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#145Good analysis but did many people miss what happened during the Tham Luang cave rescue? One of his most terrible (failed) marketing stunts: https://www.quora.com/Why-did-Elon-Musk-accuse-the-cave-dive... > I’ve had a Model Y for more than 3 years now, well before Elon revealed himself as the kind of person he really is, and I’ve been happy with it.
Oh for a good and righteous king! But not in this life; not from men.
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#146It’s a way for the car industry to fight against their extinction.
In the beginning the argument was: “it’s not the cars killing people, it’s the damn ‘jay walkers’ (term invented by auto industry, btw). Get those people off the road and cram them into the sides of the streets so my fat car can ride freely!11”
That campaign worked, to some extent, and now we have a patch work of sidewalks.
Then later…
Eisenhower (inspired by the ability for the German military to easily mobilize across the country via autobahn) pushed for interstate highways subsidized by the people. Auto industry capitalized on this and this contributed to the invention of the American suburb and slow decay of once walkable urban cores.
Cars were a luxury item. Now it’s a necessity, along with a whole laundry list of items for a car owner:
- gas
- time spent looking for charger, and charging
- parking (less space at home for living and instead using space for car)
- time spent finding public parking
- parking fees
- time spent in traffic
- car repairs
- car maintenance
- car insurance
- yearly taxes for registration
- car sales tax
- car depreciation
- toll fees for turnpike/regional highway
In recent years, people have been realizing how car centric transportation cannot scale (ie, induced demand); and is an environmental disaster.
Now the auto industry’s answer is: “oh we have self driving cars!!1 that’s going to fix it. It’s the damn human that can’t drive!! Have aRtIfICiAl iNtElLiGeNcE hold the wheel! As for pollution, electric cars will fix that” (totally ignoring the carbon emissions to transition to an EV, increased brake dust and tire wear pollution, and rolling 10 yr contribution to e-waste in the form of batteries, and a grid that has traditionally relied on non-renewable sources)
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#147I have FSD v12 and for my drives, in my part of the country, I have to do a mild safety intervention maybe once a week (like, getting closer to another car than I'm comfortable with) sorry other people are having different experiences, but FSD is a significant quality of life improvement for me. Nothing is nicer than getting in the car after a long day and letting it chauffeur me home. (yes I still pay attention)
People who drive often find basic driving "automatic"; if you still need to be vigilant, maybe even hypervigilant because you're not personally driving the car, what's the advantage?
It's much more comfortable not to have to micromanage the exact position of the car at every moment, as a manual driver does
I think your "automatic driving" argument is wishful thinking
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#148FSD requires AGI. These systems are all expensive science fair projects and have already killed a number of people.
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#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
My neighborhood has the effectively one-way street thing going on. FSD would be a total clown show in here. Tesla would have to add some way to determine the velocity of the oncoming traffic around a 90 degree bend while dealing with extremely limited visibility due to seasonal foliage. They would also have to add a way to factor in the historical behavior of these cars over time. For example, I know the guy who driv…
Yes, what is also important is that in many cities you often need to drive with a bit of... let's say "confidence", otherwise you will never leave your current spot. When you try to enter a busy street, you sometimes JUST NEED TO GO, trusting the oncoming traffic will slow down if needed. Sometimes a nice person will flash headlights to let you know it's OK, but I'm pretty sure FSD will not be able to notice that...…