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Re: OpenAI and Apple Announce Partnership

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Post by moralestapia »

nextworddev wrote: post #94
lanza wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ditto. They'll use it now while they stand to benefit and in 3 years they'll be lambasting OpenAI publicly for not being private enough with data and pretend that they never had anything to do with them.

This partnership is structured so that no data is logged or sent to OpenAI.

Some people here somehow thinking they will simultaneously outsmart:

* The CEO of a three trillion dollar company that employs 100,000+ of the best talent you could find around the world, with the best lawyers in the world one phone call away. Also, one of the best performing CEOs in modern times.

AND

* The CEO of the AI company (ok ... non-profit) that pretty much brought up the current wave of AI to existence and who has also spent the best part of its life building and growing 1,000s of startups in SF.

Lol.

Re: OpenAI and Apple Announce Partnership

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Post by breadwinner »

noahtallen wrote: post #92
breadwinner wrote: post #68

My biggest disappointment was that Apple said nothing about leveraging GPT-4 to improve voice recognition in iMessage. Voice recognition of ChatGPT is incredibly accurate when compared to iOS. ChatGPT almost never gets anything wrong, while iMessage/iOS voice recognition is extremely frustrating. So much so that I sometimes dictate to ChatGPT then cut & paste into iMessage.

They did talk about Siri being better at voice recognition using Apple's own on-device models, so I imagine that will eventually apply more broadly.

On-device models will not be big enough in the near future. What makes ChatGPT so awesome at recognition is that their model is huge, and so no matter how obscure the topic of the dictation, ChatGPT knows what you're talking about.

Re: OpenAI and Apple Announce Partnership

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Post by [deleted] »

karaterobot wrote: post #66

> Privacy protections are built in when accessing ChatGPT within Siri and Writing Tools—requests are not stored by OpenAI, and users’ IP addresses are obscured. Does anybody believe Apple will not be able to know who sent a given request, and that OpenAI won't be able to use the data in the request for more or less anything they want? I read statements like this and just flat-out don't believe them anymore.

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Re: OpenAI and Apple Announce Partnership

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Post by labcomputer »

talldayo wrote: post #46
0xWTF wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

S&P 500 average P:E - 20 to 25 NASDAQ average P:E - 31 NVidia's P:E - 71 That's a market of 1 vendor. That's ripe for attack.

Let's check in with OpenCL and see how far it got disrupting CUDA. You see, I want to live in a world where GPU manufacturers aren't perpetually hostile against each other. Even Nvidia would, judging by their decorum with Khronos. Unfortunately, some manufacturers would rather watch the world burn than work together for the common good. Even if a perfect CUDA replacement existed like it did with DXVK and DirectX, App…

> Let's check in with OpenCL and see how far it got disrupting CUDA.

That's entirely the fault of AMD and Intel fumbling the ball in front of the other team's goal.

For ages the only accelerated backend supported by PyTorch and TF was CUDA. Whose fault was that? Then there was buggy support for a subset of operations for a while. Then everyone stopped caring.

Why I think it will go different this time: nVidia's competitors seem to have finally woken up and realized they need to support high level ML frameworks. "Apple Silicon" is essentially fully supported by PyTorch these days (via the "mps" backend). I've heard OpenCL works well now too, but have no hardware to test it on.

Re: OpenAI and Apple Announce Partnership

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Post by bongodongobob »

wg0 wrote: post #52
blueelephanttea wrote: post #24

IMO this really feels like the Facebook / Twitter integration from early iOS. That only lasted a few years. Apple clearly thinks it needs a dedicated LLM service atm. But still thinks it is only supplemental as they handle a bunch of the core stuff without it. And require explicit user consent to use OpenAI. And Apple clearly views it as a partial commodity since they even said they plan to add others. Tough to bet a…

Actually, just in three to five years, lots of "AI boxes" and those magical sparkling icons next to input fields summoning AI would be silently removed. LLMs are not accurate, they aren't subject matter experts that'll be maybe within 5% error margin. People will gradually learn and discover anf the cost of keeping a model updated and running won't drastically reduce so we'll most likely see dust settling down.

I don't think that's really what Apple is going to do with it though, it's not going to be for factual question and answer stuff. It will be used more like a personal assistant, what's on my calendar this week, who is the last person who called me etc. I think it will more likely be an LLM in the background that uses tools to query iCloud and such, ie, making Siri actually useful.

Re: OpenAI and Apple Announce Partnership

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Post by etchalon »

solardev wrote: post #86

I'm confused now... Apple's other announcement today discussed on-device AI. So what sorts of queries will be on-device and what will be sent to OpenAI? How does this distinction appear in the UI?

When you ask Siri a question, it will prompt you to ask whether it can send your query/data to ChatGPT.

All other AI features within the OS are powered by Apple's Private Compute Cloud, which is Apple's code running on Apple's chips at Apple's Data Center.

Re: OpenAI and Apple Announce Partnership

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Post by [deleted] »

anvuong wrote: post #104
mvdtnz wrote: post #26

I still don't know a single person who wants this crap. I don't want "AI" in my web browser, I don't want it in my email client, I don't want it on my phone, I just don't want it. And it feels like everyone I speak to agrees! So who is this all for?

I actually want a virtual assistant that can reliably process my simple requests. But so far all these companies look like they are still in the figuring out phase, basically throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks. Hopefully after 2 or 3 years things will settle down and we will get a great virtual assistant.

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Re: OpenAI and Apple Announce Partnership

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Post by cletus »

This is one of those things that seems like a good idea but is really an existential threat to OpenAI.

Having a single extremely large customer gives that customer a disproportionate amount of power over your business. Apple can decide one day to simply stop paying you because, hey, they can afford the years of litigation to resolve it. Can you weather than storm?

Famously, Benjamin Moore (the paint company) maintains its own stores. They have not (and probably will not) sell their products through Home Depot or Lowe's. Why? This exact reason. A large customer can dictate terms and hold you over a barrel if they so choose.

AI/ML is something Apple cares about. They've designed their own chips around speeding up ML processing on the device. A partnerhship with OpenAI is clearly a stopgap measure. They will absolutely gut OpenAI if they have the opportunity and they will absolutely replace OpenAI when they can.

Apple just doesn't like relying on partners for core functionality. It's why Apple ditched Google Maps for the (still inferior) Apple Maps. The only reason they can't replace Google Search is because Google pays them a boatload of money and they've simply been unable to.

This may seem like a good move for OpenAI but all they've done is let the foxes run the hen house.

Re: OpenAI and Apple Announce Partnership

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Post by noahtallen »

thepasswordis wrote: post #113
quintes wrote: post #20

I just need Apple to be clearly indicating which settings will completely disable this.

I will disable it as soon as it tells me how to also permanently disable live photos.

Settings > Camera > Preserve Settings. Switch "Live Photo" to on. Then disable live photos when taking a picture.
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