It could still just be switched on and used to spy on an unknowing spouse for example... its just so creepy. Who asked for this feature?? No one did.
Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash
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Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash
#142In all the MS Recall drama, I've yet to hear or read one single person utter something to the effect of "Wow - great!!! - I've been waiting for something like this for years! This will solve at least one of the major issues I face regularly!". In fact, it seems to me the only people that really want this feature are the ones trying to push it down everyones collective throat. Why is MS pushing something so hard when…
When this was announced I actually saw a post by someone who used a similar tool for time tracking in OS X and they claimed it was really helpful.
To be frank, I would not mind having this feature on linux provided it was entirely local, and encrypted.
Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash
#143Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your browsing history is unlikely to contain personal information, secrets, porn images etc. And if you use Chrome, they get your full browsing history by default. I get your point, but Microsoft's Recall can capture anything onscreen - emails, personal info, porn, passwords and the like. And it feels, bizarrely for 2024, that little thought has gone into privacy or security.
> that little thought has gone into privacy or security. I think the thought is proportional to the amount of thought a non-tech customer will put into it. Nobody seems to care about or understands privacy these days. Everyone knows they're being tracked everywhere they go physically and on the web. People use their real names, address, etc for every junk service they sign up for, without seeing any reason not to. If…
> I think the thought is proportional to the amount of thought a non-tech customer will put into it.
Part of me wonders if this is the consequence of how accessible tech has become, and the prevalence of increasingly non-technical product managers. I'm a former PM, and I'm not here to denigrate the PM role, but the fact that a product like Recall got shipped says a lot about the makeup of the product org that shipped it.
While I get that younger people tend to see privacy differently, I'd argue this isn't really a privacy issue, it's a security conversation, albeit with obvious privacy implications. Leaking what apps I use or what sites I visit is mostly a privacy issue. Leaking what I type into the boxes on those sites is a security issue. If the end result of leaking this info is the attacker can pwn all of my bank accounts, we're solidly into security territory.
The fact that this got shipped means that multiple levels of leadership either didn't think about the consequences or didn't care about the consequences. I hope it's the former, because that means they can learn from the backlash and hopefully recalibrate.
Microsoft is in a position of power that IMO requires a significant duty of care and responsibility to their customers, and lapses like this need to be judged through that lens, i.e. it is their entire business to make sure features like this are safe.
Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash
#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
Any Recs? i've just gotten a Kubuntu image. I am thinking if i dual boot that and SteamOS i should have everything i want covered.
No reason to use SteamOS, it's just immutable Arch with an A/B partition scheme. Modern SteamOS is designed specifically for the Steam Deck and they only ship it as a recovery image for the Deck. You can install Steam on whatever distribution you want, I use the Flatpak, and just enable Proton in the compatibility settings.
And if someone’s after that console-like functionality, ChimeraOS is the right choice in this area. It behaves like SteamOS, but is more compatible with PC hardware.
Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash
#145I still don't understand how this got this far. Enabling this in any corporate setting would be a compliance nightmare.
Corporate clients get whatever they want. I am certain that their Windows 10 support won't be pulled in Oct 2025 as MS has threatened for everyone else. And when they migrate to Win11, it will almost certainly be a separate OS image free of the garbage bloatware and ads that the consumer devices are plagued with.
Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash
#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
no it isnt the same, you may know I went to my health care provider's website, maybe even to make an appointment depending on the url, but with recall, everything that is on the page will be stored, not just the url. It's totally different. So the message I sent my healthcare provider that is discussing some of my most sensitive medical issues will be available to read and a record is kept of it... not just the url.…
Yes, but one product cycle and there's metadata (like a background texture) that tells the OCR to skip this page. Or ask your local LLM if the user is talking about medical conditions? If you like the feature at all you can make these things work.
"If you like the feature at all you can make these things work."
It's not on the individual users to take steps to preserve their basic human dignity. It's not Microsoft to not take that dignity away by default as was their plan before this fiasco predictably blew up in their faces just like the Xbox One always-online Kinect requirement before it.
Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash
#147make it a separate program that people can install if they want to. if its really that great then people will download it
We will never see Microsoft ship a major product like this and not have it bundled in to a windows update. (Rather than specific install)
After their success with installing Teams, Microsoft has seen that the regulators will not proactively stop this kind of thing anymore
Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash
#148In all the MS Recall drama, I've yet to hear or read one single person utter something to the effect of "Wow - great!!! - I've been waiting for something like this for years! This will solve at least one of the major issues I face regularly!". In fact, it seems to me the only people that really want this feature are the ones trying to push it down everyones collective throat. Why is MS pushing something so hard when…
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Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash
#149In all the MS Recall drama, I've yet to hear or read one single person utter something to the effect of "Wow - great!!! - I've been waiting for something like this for years! This will solve at least one of the major issues I face regularly!". In fact, it seems to me the only people that really want this feature are the ones trying to push it down everyones collective throat. Why is MS pushing something so hard when…
As long as stockholders think it'll be good, that's what matters. Perceived value is easier to create than real value.
Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash
#150In all the MS Recall drama, I've yet to hear or read one single person utter something to the effect of "Wow - great!!! - I've been waiting for something like this for years! This will solve at least one of the major issues I face regularly!". In fact, it seems to me the only people that really want this feature are the ones trying to push it down everyones collective throat. Why is MS pushing something so hard when…
> Why is MS pushing something so hard when nobody asked for it?
Here's the thing. When no-one asks for it, hard push is the only way to sell it.
:)