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I'm forking Ladybird and stepping down as SerenityOS BDFL

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Re: I'm forking Ladybird and stepping down as SerenityOS BDFL

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Post by EasyMark »

worble wrote: post #71
nacs wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Firefox user, this exactly. The amount of things that now need to be toggled off on a new install are approaching Windows “telemetry” levels: disable sponsored shortcuts on homepage, disable experimental “Studies”, sponsored suggestions in search bar, “suggested extensions”, Pocket, and the list goes on. I really need to look into a privacy friendly fork of FF..

I don't use it myself, but Librewolf is a pretty popular fork that attempts to be private out of the box and is usually updated pretty quickly.

I will definitely second this. I moved over to librewolf last year and love it. I’m glad Mozilla is staying in business though. I know not every organization has my beliefs and I can live with that

Re: I'm forking Ladybird and stepping down as SerenityOS BDFL

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Post by lukan »

f1refly wrote: post #139
lukan wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ChromeOS seems very polished under the hood. It is fast and open source. But very tightly integrated into google and so I doubt, this will ever become a solid base for a new linux desktop.

Chromeos under the hood is just Linux

And ... what is just linux?

They use a custom kernel. A completely different display manager, process scheduling, startup etc.

But yeah, rsync works the same.

Re: I'm forking Ladybird and stepping down as SerenityOS BDFL

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Post by tredre3 »

The_Colonel wrote: post #103
bgribble wrote: post #77

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> But it's a bit disappointing to see that it's still pretty much a one-man project. I don't know much about this project and I have never used it. But in my experience as a developer and user of software I couldn't disagree more. The longer something can stay a one-person project, the better! Nothing kills creativity, innovation, and velocity faster than having to make every decision by committee. Big communities ar…

> The longer something can stay a one-person project, the better! Nothing kills creativity, innovation, and velocity faster than having to make every decision by committee. One person can get surprisingly far, but there's a limit beyond which no single human will scale. Getting to the v8 performance is IMHO such an example. You might be OK with a browser which has a noticeably subpar performance, but it will likely s…

> Getting to the v8 performance is IMHO such an example.

There's no doubt in my mind that Andreas could achieve that by himself. He's worked professionally on webkit, and implemented a JS interpreter, a JS bytecode interpreter, and a JS JIT all by himself after all. Also let's not forget that V8 is open-source, all their optimizations are available for others to see and implement.

But to be clear this isn't a one man project, he hired a few contributors to work full time on it. Sure, it's a small team, but as said in sibling comments a small team has much more velocity.

Re: I'm forking Ladybird and stepping down as SerenityOS BDFL

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Post by tredre3 »

squarefoot wrote: post #44

This could be a good move, if it frees resources that would then be allocated for the OS itself. To me SerenityOS as a x86 OS is interesting but redundant, while to me would immediately catch attention if ported to ARM or RISC-V and other embedded platforms. Many companies already use sluggish Android or web based solutions to build instrumentation screens and other vertical applications where one needs to show GUI p…

SerenityOS has (partially) working ports for both ARM and RISC-V already:

https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/tree/master/Kernel/Ar...

Re: I'm forking Ladybird and stepping down as SerenityOS BDFL

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Post by panick21_ »

M95D wrote: post #109
HeckFeck wrote: post #25

I fully respect these reasons, they are logical and well said. But hopefully interest in SerenityOS doesn't taper off due to this. Kling was great at garnering interest with his YouTube videos where he'd go deep into bug fixing and feature development. Certainly, the browser has the most potential and even immediate necessity for the sake of the open Web, but I would still like to daily drive SerenityOS some day. Its…

Linux (kernel I mean) is good enough. There were some scheduling problems with audio, but it's mostly resolved. The problem is GNU style. We need another GUI and that doesn't mean just replacing X with/or Wayland protocol. It means replacing GTK and QT too.

That exactyly what PopOS is doing. Cosmic is a new Desktop Envoirment for Wayland written in Rust using a toolkit named Iced.

Re: I'm forking Ladybird and stepping down as SerenityOS BDFL

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Post by ssernikk »

pessimizer wrote: post #47

Ladybird looks amazing and is moving quickly. Without the linkage to SerenityOS, I even feel like looking at the source and seeing if I can get a handle on what's going on. Looks like the idea of writing a new browser engine, or of forking Firefox, wasn't an absurdly impossible thing that would require billions of dollars. If this inspires somebody to take up that charge again, or to pick up Servo from the table, tha…

> [...] pick up Servo from the table, that would be wonderful too.

I would love to see a servo-based browser in near future!

Re: I'm forking Ladybird and stepping down as SerenityOS BDFL

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Post by ThePowerOfFuet »

HeckFeck wrote: post #25

I fully respect these reasons, they are logical and well said. But hopefully interest in SerenityOS doesn't taper off due to this. Kling was great at garnering interest with his YouTube videos where he'd go deep into bug fixing and feature development. Certainly, the browser has the most potential and even immediate necessity for the sake of the open Web, but I would still like to daily drive SerenityOS some day. Its…

> Windows is going down the toilet fast, and Linux lacks the holistic element, so having something that combines the greatest visual design language - mid to late 90s interface guidelines - with the powerful Unix shell would be a huge boon for desktop computing. (Yes OSX has great albeit modern UX with the Unix underpinnings but isn't OSS or affordable to the masses).

You might want to look at helloSystem.

https://hellosystem.github.io/docs/

Re: I'm forking Ladybird and stepping down as SerenityOS BDFL

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Post by [deleted] »

HeckFeck wrote: post #25

I fully respect these reasons, they are logical and well said. But hopefully interest in SerenityOS doesn't taper off due to this. Kling was great at garnering interest with his YouTube videos where he'd go deep into bug fixing and feature development. Certainly, the browser has the most potential and even immediate necessity for the sake of the open Web, but I would still like to daily drive SerenityOS some day. Its…

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