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Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's brief ousting

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This is very silly. The world has solved this and it’s markets. Before, mindlessly ambition people would take over countries and start wars.

Sure glad markets solved that and we no longer have ambitious people in charge of countries starting wars.

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Lying to the board, if true, is radically unethical. If you equate lying with “outsmarting,” that’s rather concerning.

What if you realize that the board is wrong?

Then you tell them so, in a meeting with all board members present, and argue your position in good faith. You don't lie to them. You certainly don't scheme behind the back of a board member you don't agree with to try to get them fired.

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Paul Graham has said that one of the things he likes best about Sam Altman is that he figures out ways to "hack" things, and specified that he didn't mean programming, but rather systems, institutions, people, etc.

As for me, I'd prefer to see Paul Graham running Open AI.

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This is very silly. The world has solved this and it’s markets. Before, mindlessly ambition people would take over countries and start wars.

Are you claiming Genghis Khan was mindless?

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He’s not a very defensible person blindly ambitious about power. Kind of weird to be cheering for Elon to knock off Microsoft/OpenAI effort. Also funny to think of Google as an also ran offering for AI.

When it comes to business google is not not an also ran, it has the relationships to monetize the product, vs openAI which has none and a massive trust issue.

Both have a "trust" issue. I don't disagree OpenAI's issue is worse, and that just moves the needle from "concerning" to" toxic".

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What is still bizarre is how the board brought him back. I just don't understand that from any angle. It is very clear that he lied and schemed. So why was there any issue? He had no power once fired. If another company wants to hire him, fine. If he wants to make platitudes on Twitter, who cares? Employees threatened to leave? Let them. I imagine many of them wouldn't, and if they did, you could just rehire and find…

Sam Altman made openAI possible. A true CEO like Satya knows without Sam, the rate of progress at OpenAI will be determined by decels like Helen/Jan aka ZERO. It's a disaster for product development, especially when you have openly invited Google to dance. I know HN leans engineering/safety/reliability/labor/pedantic (like chasing the absolute truth), but at the end of the day, company scales from the likes of Jobs/M…

This is the literal definition of a slippery slope. Letting billionaires, who already wield extreme power, break laws and skirt regulations is the opposite of a free market.

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What is still bizarre is how the board brought him back. I just don't understand that from any angle. It is very clear that he lied and schemed. So why was there any issue? He had no power once fired. If another company wants to hire him, fine. If he wants to make platitudes on Twitter, who cares? Employees threatened to leave? Let them. I imagine many of them wouldn't, and if they did, you could just rehire and find…

Employees are not replacable like that.

Almost the entire company was threatening to quit.

If it was possible to simply replace all of openAI, then you could just do that now, as an outside party.

So the boards choice was to either bring back Sam or watch the entire company go under.

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