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Re: Bluesky adds direct messages

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Post by djur »

wannacboatmovie wrote: post #114
djur wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is hating Elon Musk irrational? Regardless of politics or business practices, his personal conduct is revolting.

Why do you care? You're not his friend or related to him. He is the CEO of a scaled text messaging app. Do you get upset if the CEO of your electric utility made stupid political statements? Or if the owner of a car dealership cheats on his wife? Tiger Woods slept with like fifty waitresses and masses of people were furious. Why? What did they expect his life as a star athlete was? People dislike Musk out of pure jea…

Who's talking about "getting upset"? Elon Musk has done a lot of things in his life that slot him into the "bad person, do not like, do not support" category. That's just called forming an opinion. I'm not playing darts with his photograph. I'd prefer to hear as little about or from him as possible, frankly.

Re: Bluesky adds direct messages

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Post by djur »

fragmede wrote: post #132
djur wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not having done something yet doesn't mean you've failed to do it.

releasing, missing a core feature, isn't a great example that you care about that core feature

It's not a core feature for their current user base, apparently. I think they care about it more than their users do. They won't be able to implement it at all if they don't have any users.

Re: Bluesky adds direct messages

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Post by djur »

wannacboatmovie wrote: post #119
lxgr wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I left Twitter because I got tired of having inflammatory content be shoved in my face without ever actively following any of the people posting it. Censorship is bad, but amplification of horrible takes is not equivalent the absence of censorship. The quality of ads (I was using the official client) was also quickly approaching the quality of predatory late-night TV shopping channels (“call NOW to get our ULTRA LINT…

> but amplification of horrible takes The problem is the definition of 'horrible takes' is, and always will be, subjective.

Right, which is why people may prefer Bluesky, which doesn't amplify anyone's takes and lets users decide what they prefer to see.

Re: Bluesky adds direct messages

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Post by Kye »

krapp wrote: post #111
ramesh31 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Bluesky it’s a major point, but not the entire point. And I'd say that was the right tradeoff to make. Mastodon is only marginally more useful than IRC at this point, and is completely useless to the average person. I as a developer have yet to even figure out how it's supposed to work. And no, I'm not going to spend hours digging through docs.

>Mastodon is only marginally more useful than IRC at this point, and is completely useless to the average person. I as a developer have yet to even figure out how it's supposed to work. I don't know how you define "average person" but plenty of people who aren't developers are on Mastodon. This argument that Mastodon is "too complicated" is perennial, despite the obvious evidence to the contrary in the growth of its…

It's been on a steady downward slide for the last year, from almost 2m during The Exodus to about 900k active users now. People sign up, but most don't stick around. I also can't help but notice my own timeline has slowed to a crawl, and it's mostly the same few people. It's not vibrant and busy like it used to be.

Re: Bluesky adds direct messages

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Post by o11c »

stebalien wrote: post #25
shadowfacts wrote: post #7

Not only are they not end-to-end encrypted, Bluesky's DMs seem like they're entirely centralized. From their 2024 roadmap: > We looked closely at alternatives like linking to external services, re-using an existing protocol like Matrix, or rushing out on-protocol encrypted DMs, but ultimately decided to launch a basic centralized system to take the time pressure off our team and make our user community happy. https:/…

It's a stop-gap because people want DMs and implementing them correctly (decentralized, e2e encrypted, etc.) is non-trivial. Rushing e2e encryption is not a good idea (and no, you can't just slap on matrix/signal and call it a day). The alternatives are to: 1. Wait a bit longer for something half-baked that appears to meet the goals (i.e., something you're going to regret but will be unable to replace). 2. Wait even…

e2e encryption is a net loss for a lot of use cases. Particularly, most DMs are spam in my experience.

Spam prevention is much harder if the server can't see the message. Spam reporting can be done with sufficient effort, but stopping the known spam from reaching the user in the first place is impossible (the closest you can get is a client-side scan before actually showing the message to the user, which requires downloading the whole message just to show "number of incoming messages" indicator or else having the indicator lie).

And of course, E2EE is a lie if you're visiting a website anyway.

Re: Bluesky adds direct messages

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Post by noman-land »

stebalien wrote: post #25
shadowfacts wrote: post #7

Not only are they not end-to-end encrypted, Bluesky's DMs seem like they're entirely centralized. From their 2024 roadmap: > We looked closely at alternatives like linking to external services, re-using an existing protocol like Matrix, or rushing out on-protocol encrypted DMs, but ultimately decided to launch a basic centralized system to take the time pressure off our team and make our user community happy. https:/…

It's a stop-gap because people want DMs and implementing them correctly (decentralized, e2e encrypted, etc.) is non-trivial. Rushing e2e encryption is not a good idea (and no, you can't just slap on matrix/signal and call it a day). The alternatives are to: 1. Wait a bit longer for something half-baked that appears to meet the goals (i.e., something you're going to regret but will be unable to replace). 2. Wait even…

Except they'll never replace it because they'll be too busy making some other feature stupid simple by centralizing it and we'll be back to centralized social media.

Re: Bluesky adds direct messages

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Post by afiori »

alternatex wrote: post #130
mgraczyk wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook cannot read your messages, so it is more decentralized than a system that stores messages in plaintext (or stores the decryption keys).

That's not what decentralized means though. This whole comment thread is unclear on whether decentralization or encryption is what's desired.

That is because people want decentralized e2ee multi-device chats without manual key management, which afaik is not really possible

Re: Bluesky adds direct messages

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Post by ineedaj0b »

reminder for all the twitter haters: Twitter's good!

Yes, I know there's plenty of reasons you'll nitpick twitter and I can nitpick bluesky as well.

More competition is good and I like to see it. Go where your friends are and have a good time.

If you want the edge of Ai/ML, I suggest twitter. Lots of world class accounts. Bluesky is good, has more old school... like 'harry potter' type nerds on it. They post interesting stuff. You should also have a discord. Maybe an insta if you're trying to get a gf

Re: Bluesky adds direct messages

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Post by krapp »

wannacboatmovie wrote: post #114
djur wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is hating Elon Musk irrational? Regardless of politics or business practices, his personal conduct is revolting.

Why do you care? You're not his friend or related to him. He is the CEO of a scaled text messaging app. Do you get upset if the CEO of your electric utility made stupid political statements? Or if the owner of a car dealership cheats on his wife? Tiger Woods slept with like fifty waitresses and masses of people were furious. Why? What did they expect his life as a star athlete was? People dislike Musk out of pure jea…

Are you Elon's friend or relative? Logically, other people's opinions about him shouldn't concern you at all. Yet here you are white knighting someone who's just the CEO of a scaled text messaging app. Why do you care?

Re: Bluesky adds direct messages

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Post by jay-barronville »

ineedaj0b wrote: post #148

reminder for all the twitter haters: Twitter's good! Yes, I know there's plenty of reasons you'll nitpick twitter and I can nitpick bluesky as well. More competition is good and I like to see it. Go where your friends are and have a good time. If you want the edge of Ai/ML, I suggest twitter. Lots of world class accounts. Bluesky is good, has more old school... like 'harry potter' type nerds on it. They post interest…

I don’t think my wife would be happy with me getting a girlfriend.
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