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Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 Countries

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Re: Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 Countries

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Post by gambiting »

twixfel wrote: post #131
gambiting wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Irrelevant - the product page says otherwise and the game itself was explicit in telling you that a PSN account is required on launch.

How is it irrelevant if it's coming from Sony itself?

Because the consumer is presented with correct info on the product page by the party actually selling the product - Valve. It's the same when buying a car - the information presented to you at the dealership takes precedence over whatever the manufacturer's website says, because the legal assumption is that you are basing your purchase decision on what is in front of you when buying the car by the party actually selling it.

Re: Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 Countries

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Post by concerned_user »

sunaurus wrote: post #16

I've always found it ridiculous that Sony is allowed to sell their consoles and games in my county without allowing me to create a PSN account. They even sell the digital PS5, which REQUIRES a PSN account to get any games. And then, even if you break their TOS and create an account in another country, you're still constantly inconvenienced - you can't pay for games using your local payment method, for example, and a…

There is a screenshot of an email that someone from Ukraine sent to Sony support and their response was that you can create an account using PS5 but not from a PC.

Re: Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 Countries

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Post by PoignardAzur »

izzydata wrote: post #135
Kim_Bruning wrote: post #87

On Steam: If there's little yellow boxes in the right hand column, someone somewhere is reserving the right to ruin your day in some way. Helldivers 2 has three of them: DRM, Third party account, and third party EULA. Best avoid games with little yellow boxes, especially if you prefer just playing games vs legal drama. (And of course gog.com doesn't have any little yellow boxes)

If Helldivers 2 was on GOG it would still require a PSN account.

I think GP's point is more "if you're on Steam, here's how you can check that info".

Re: Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 Countries

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Post by Caligatio »

gambiting wrote: post #141
twixfel wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is it irrelevant if it's coming from Sony itself?

Because the consumer is presented with correct info on the product page by the party actually selling the product - Valve. It's the same when buying a car - the information presented to you at the dealership takes precedence over whatever the manufacturer's website says, because the legal assumption is that you are basing your purchase decision on what is in front of you when buying the car by the party actually sell…

You can literally buy it from Sony and they email you a game key.

They're changing all their documentation to match their new announcement: https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cjlnn1/sony_tr...

Re: Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 Countries

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Post by cma »

gambiting wrote: post #141
twixfel wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is it irrelevant if it's coming from Sony itself?

Because the consumer is presented with correct info on the product page by the party actually selling the product - Valve. It's the same when buying a car - the information presented to you at the dealership takes precedence over whatever the manufacturer's website says, because the legal assumption is that you are basing your purchase decision on what is in front of you when buying the car by the party actually sell…

If you offer a nationwide fast food discount in an ad you have to disclaim 'at participating stores only' in order to not make it binding everywhere.

Re: Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 Countries

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

sunaurus wrote: post #16

I've always found it ridiculous that Sony is allowed to sell their consoles and games in my county without allowing me to create a PSN account. They even sell the digital PS5, which REQUIRES a PSN account to get any games. And then, even if you break their TOS and create an account in another country, you're still constantly inconvenienced - you can't pay for games using your local payment method, for example, and a…

A game is just a game. There is nothing vital to it.

It's the easiest thing in the world to boycott.

And yet, players consistently fail to make the editors pay for their bad behaviors. EA is still craping on their clients. Blizzards fails forward. Loot boxes, DRM, crippling anti-cheat mechanisms, buggy games with expensive DLC and micro payments are everywhere. Sony even infected their customers with a rootkit once.

If you keep giving them money despite this, then they have correctly noted they can charge you for their fun system despite the inconvenience.

Already more games have been created and published than a human could finish in an entire life. And that's games, not music, movies, series or books.

You could just stop buying any new game forever and have an entire life of wonderful gaming experience.

Hell, I'm still playing old snes games, or the flash version of isaac.

So not buying from an editor?

Easy.

Stop complaining.

Act.

Re: Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 Countries

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Post by [deleted] »

croes wrote: post #15
unpopularopp wrote: post #3

I hope one day the EU will go after Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo. If iOS is a walled garden then consoles are prison.

You don't need to buy from MSs, Sony's or Nintendo's store to play a game on their consoles. There was no way for iOS except Apple's App store.

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Re: Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 Countries

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Post by bluefirebrand »

gambiting wrote: post #124
bun_terminator wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

true in legal terms. But it was hidden and the reason given for the change was a blatant lie. They were deceiving users until they could no longer refund. Something like that is often called a scam or fraud

>>But it was hidden When you start the game, you literally get a full screen banner that says a PSN account is required to play and you must sign in. It's just that until now you could click cancel and the game would still launch. How can anyone call it "hidden" is literally beyond me. It's not hidden on page 527 of the EULA or something - it's literally said explicitly on a full screen banner shown to every player w…

Two things:

1) This dialog only showed one time, the very first time you launched the game

2) This dialog was skippable

If you skipped it one single time, it let you play for months now without ever seeing it again. If they wanted to make it clear it was mandatory eventually then the wording and behavior should have made this clear every single time you open the game

Allowing to skip means it's not mandatory, regardless of whatever language is written down on the UI, the TOS, on the steam page, or whatever else

If this was enforced upfront, people would have had an opportunity to refund immediately. If it was communicated clearly that the Skip was temporary, people could have made an informed choice about playing

Re: Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 Countries

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Post by Turskarama »

rchaud wrote: post #129
neocritter wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can confirm. I bought Freespace 2 in 2009 and it's still there in my account with no DRM.

Back then, PSN was free. Bought a PS3 over an XB360 because I didn't want to pay a subscription for the occasional multiplayer game.

PSN is still free but it only gives you access to the store and an account to keep user data, PS plus is an add on to it that costs money and is required for multiplayer.

EDIT: I feel like I should point out that PC players don't need PS plus to play multiplayer, I think literally every copy would be refunded if they tried to pull that one.

Re: Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 Countries

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Post by javajosh »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #60
aarroyoc wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And not just that. They required PSN accounts on countries where PSN is not available (and using a VPN to create it goes against the ToS, and people get banned). So in those countries they have effectively banned you from playing the game you purchased weeks ago.

You took my money but refuse to provide the service. This borders on fraud This sounds like a very simple class action

"very simple class action" is a phrase used only by someone who's never been involved in a class action.
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